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shapinglightLast spammy post of the day, and yes, not really quite the right icon, but I couldn't find one of Comics!Magneto.
So, anyway, probably no one is at all interested in this except me, but...
Spoilers behind cut for the Buffy comics and for recent X-Men storylines
....there are some very ironic parallels going on between the current Marvel Comics 'Event' story - Avengers vs X-Men and Buffy season 8. Probably, all it does is go to show that there are only so many plotlines in super hero comics to go around. It also proves that fandom is the same everywhere. I spent an informative half hour on the CBR (Comic Book Resources) Forum earlier today reading the reaction to the latest (and penultimate) issue of X-Men: Legacy, which centres around the character of the X-Man Rogue. For the last year or so, Rogue has been in a romantic relationship with Magneto (yes, really), something I've wanted to see since Chris Claremont (writer of the original Dark Phoenix saga) set up the ongoing UST between them way back in the early '90s. I'm actually not that keen on Rogue (as female role models go, she's not a patch on Buffy, though of course, unlike Buffy, she was never conceived as one in the first place), but I do like Magneto very much - in a faintly guilty sort of way, until Magneto: Testament came out, after which I haven't felt guilty at all.
It was only a short while ago that I discovered how widely hated this pairing was by many X-Men comics readers. I discovered it when trawling through a Q&A on a comics forum with Christos Gage, the current writer of X-Men: Legacy (though not the writer who finally put Magneto and Rogue together for real), who just so happens to be the writer of Angel & Faith. Reading this Q&A was honestly like reading a Q&A about Spuffy which had been invaded by rabid Bangel 'shippers. Being in a relationship with Magneto was demeaning to Rogue, it was claimed - the worst thing that had ever happened to the character, etc, etc. I even saw someone on Twitter jump on Gage and say that the reason why fans don't like 'Rogneto' is 'because it puts Rogue in a relationship with her rapist', which - unless I've missed something - I don't understand at all. Magneto certainly didn't try to rape Rogue in any issues of X-Men: Legacy I've read, and I don't remember it happening previously either. But who knows? There are so many X-books it could have happened somewhere.
Anyway, getting back to the parallels thing, Rogneto=Spuffy, right? Though ironically Magneto is way more like Angel than he is like Spike - very tall, thinks he knows best, makes decisions for other people, has done lots of terrible things etc, etc - though unlike Angel, he's had extremely terrible things done to him too.
The parallels even extend to there being another major 'shipping group involved - those fans who want Rogue paired with Gambit, who - again ironically - is way more like Spike than like Angel (though really not that like Spike - Spike is a much better character).
Some of the people bashing Rogneto probably really are outraged for Rogue's sake because they think her relationship with Magneto is anti-feminist or whatever. Others are just Rogue/Gambit 'shippers hiding behind false outrage.
Same old, same old.
More parallels and some differences: unlike the Buffy/Spike break up in the Buffy comics (if you can even call it a break up, because that needs there to be two people in the relationship to start with) Gage let the Rogneto 'shippers down relatively gently. Magneto asks Rogue to marry him, she says she doesn't want to be in a relationship with anyone because she needs to find herself and work out what her place in the world is. They part with a kiss.
Spike asks Buffy to go away with him, saying he couldn't carry on being her 'dark place', and all he gets is total silence from Buffy and an expression like she's swallowed a lemon.
But there are more parallels: the other day, this article about heroes who commit mass murder was posted, featuring good old Comics!Angel as one of the main culprits, to which, when it was drawn to his attention, Christos Gage responded by saying people should think of Angel as the Cyclops of the Buffyverse, referring to the current Avengers vs X-Men storyline, in which Cyclops of the X-Men has been possessed by the Phoenix force and has done some horrible things as a consequence - the corollary of this being, no doubt, that he was possessed and it totally wasn't his fault, and what do you mean we're whitewashing the character?
Like I said, there are only so many stories to go around in comics, and only so many excuses to use to get your characters off the hook you've hung them from, and 'shippers are the same whatever fandom they belong to, and I am nuts for wasting my time and yours writing this.
Done now.
So, anyway, probably no one is at all interested in this except me, but...
Spoilers behind cut for the Buffy comics and for recent X-Men storylines
....there are some very ironic parallels going on between the current Marvel Comics 'Event' story - Avengers vs X-Men and Buffy season 8. Probably, all it does is go to show that there are only so many plotlines in super hero comics to go around. It also proves that fandom is the same everywhere. I spent an informative half hour on the CBR (Comic Book Resources) Forum earlier today reading the reaction to the latest (and penultimate) issue of X-Men: Legacy, which centres around the character of the X-Man Rogue. For the last year or so, Rogue has been in a romantic relationship with Magneto (yes, really), something I've wanted to see since Chris Claremont (writer of the original Dark Phoenix saga) set up the ongoing UST between them way back in the early '90s. I'm actually not that keen on Rogue (as female role models go, she's not a patch on Buffy, though of course, unlike Buffy, she was never conceived as one in the first place), but I do like Magneto very much - in a faintly guilty sort of way, until Magneto: Testament came out, after which I haven't felt guilty at all.
It was only a short while ago that I discovered how widely hated this pairing was by many X-Men comics readers. I discovered it when trawling through a Q&A on a comics forum with Christos Gage, the current writer of X-Men: Legacy (though not the writer who finally put Magneto and Rogue together for real), who just so happens to be the writer of Angel & Faith. Reading this Q&A was honestly like reading a Q&A about Spuffy which had been invaded by rabid Bangel 'shippers. Being in a relationship with Magneto was demeaning to Rogue, it was claimed - the worst thing that had ever happened to the character, etc, etc. I even saw someone on Twitter jump on Gage and say that the reason why fans don't like 'Rogneto' is 'because it puts Rogue in a relationship with her rapist', which - unless I've missed something - I don't understand at all. Magneto certainly didn't try to rape Rogue in any issues of X-Men: Legacy I've read, and I don't remember it happening previously either. But who knows? There are so many X-books it could have happened somewhere.
Anyway, getting back to the parallels thing, Rogneto=Spuffy, right? Though ironically Magneto is way more like Angel than he is like Spike - very tall, thinks he knows best, makes decisions for other people, has done lots of terrible things etc, etc - though unlike Angel, he's had extremely terrible things done to him too.
The parallels even extend to there being another major 'shipping group involved - those fans who want Rogue paired with Gambit, who - again ironically - is way more like Spike than like Angel (though really not that like Spike - Spike is a much better character).
Some of the people bashing Rogneto probably really are outraged for Rogue's sake because they think her relationship with Magneto is anti-feminist or whatever. Others are just Rogue/Gambit 'shippers hiding behind false outrage.
Same old, same old.
More parallels and some differences: unlike the Buffy/Spike break up in the Buffy comics (if you can even call it a break up, because that needs there to be two people in the relationship to start with) Gage let the Rogneto 'shippers down relatively gently. Magneto asks Rogue to marry him, she says she doesn't want to be in a relationship with anyone because she needs to find herself and work out what her place in the world is. They part with a kiss.
Spike asks Buffy to go away with him, saying he couldn't carry on being her 'dark place', and all he gets is total silence from Buffy and an expression like she's swallowed a lemon.
But there are more parallels: the other day, this article about heroes who commit mass murder was posted, featuring good old Comics!Angel as one of the main culprits, to which, when it was drawn to his attention, Christos Gage responded by saying people should think of Angel as the Cyclops of the Buffyverse, referring to the current Avengers vs X-Men storyline, in which Cyclops of the X-Men has been possessed by the Phoenix force and has done some horrible things as a consequence - the corollary of this being, no doubt, that he was possessed and it totally wasn't his fault, and what do you mean we're whitewashing the character?
Like I said, there are only so many stories to go around in comics, and only so many excuses to use to get your characters off the hook you've hung them from, and 'shippers are the same whatever fandom they belong to, and I am nuts for wasting my time and yours writing this.
Done now.