More Lucifer Stuff - Show and Comics
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shapinglightOkay, in pursuit of keeping things light(ish) on this journal, have another post about Lucifer.
Spoilers behind cut for both the TV show and the comics. In other words, more meandering about how they're the same (not very much) and how they differ.
So Lucifer has gone on hiatus till May. As previously stated in this context, aaargh! That's ages! I do hope such a long break won't affect its chances of renewal, which were looking pretty positive as of when it went off air.
Anyway, how to fill the gulf of time until it returns (or rather, how to fill that part of the gulf of time that needs to relax with not-to-be-taken-that-seriously TV shows). Well, obviously, a complete re-watch is in order, and I have in fact started that - my second re-watch, actually, since I did the same thing when it went on hiatus in November (yes, I'm a fan, can you tell?). I'm finding myself laughing out loud quite a lot this time - certainly more than I did the first time, though I always found the show humorous -which goes to show I really am in that happy place you go to when you first join a fandom and everything about the source material seems wonderful, and if anyone critiques it, you feel a little cross on its behalf - especially if you know the critiquer is not 'a fan like you' and therefore 'doesn't get it.'
Further to that, I've now watched two episodes. The second is the one where Lucifer and Chloe cross paths with a scuzzy paparazzo, who feels so guilty about the things he's done in his life, he's prepared to take the fall for his protege, who is doing even worse things. Remember that? Anyway, towards the end of the episode, Lucifer and Maze set up a punishment scenario, where they invite the paparazzo and his erstwhile protege - AKA murderous little scumbag - to take potshots at each other. Before they do, Lucifer 'apologises' to them for the fact that, if they go to hell, there's no one to sort out their punishments there, and I found myself thinking, 'Ah-hah! That statement was totally contradicted by what happened in the latest episode (season 2 ep 13, for anyone who cares), in which hell seemed to be carrying on quite happily without Lucifer's presence.
Maybe someone else is in charge, I thought, or maybe it's just a case of the show writers forgetting, or retconning, what they'd previously made canon? And that's when I thought, 'Aww, how terribly Jossian,' and instantly forgave them.
I really am far gone, aren't I?
Other thoughts in brief:
All seven of the main characters (Lucifer, Chloe, Amenadiel, Maze, Dan, Dr Linda, Trixie) are fully formed and fleshed out from the very first episode. I found that quite impressive, though it probably happens in most shows and I've forgotten. Tom Ellis, in particular, is really, really good.
Lucifer used to wear a leather jacket quite often in the early season 1 episodes, but he's stopped. I forget whether he says why. Will have to listen out and see.
Then there's the comics - or, to be specific, the new Lucifer comics series by Holly Black and Lee Garbett, (which I've only read the first graphic novel of, so please don't spoiler me for anything later) which features many of the surviving characters from the original series by Mike Carey, with the addition of Lucifer's brother Gabriel, who I understand has featured in Hellblazer, but who (I think) is only seen once in the original Lucifer series. Gabriel has, at some point, lost his wings and been thrown out of heaven (also known as the Silver City). He also has a gaping hole in his chest where his heart has been ripped out by a succubus that John Constantine tricked him into having sex with - and it's that, in fact, that caused him to be thrown out of heaven in the first place.
Seems to me that the story of Gabriel from the comics is being conflated somewhat with Amenadiel in the show, here. Amenadiel believes that the loss of his angelic powers, including his wings, is down to various sins he's committed since coming to earth, including having sex with a demon.
Either that, or the show writers were thinking about Preacher with the Amenadiel/Maze hook-up (which I'll think even more if Maze does end up pregnant), or are ripping off Supernatural, which I know very little about, except what I've read on various fan wikis. But even if they have done it a little bit with the character of Lucifer's mother (there isn't one all-powerful celestial being, there are two, male and female, like in Supernatural, which is not the case in the comics) I don't think they need to go there again, actually, and I hope they won't. There's enough source material from the Lucifer comics, including a huge amount of dysfunctional family stuff they can do with Lucifer and his brother and sister angels.
And it probably goes two ways anyway. The Lucifer comics series pre-dates the later seasons of Supernatural. Pop culture will eat itself, etc, etc.
Spoilers behind cut for both the TV show and the comics. In other words, more meandering about how they're the same (not very much) and how they differ.
So Lucifer has gone on hiatus till May. As previously stated in this context, aaargh! That's ages! I do hope such a long break won't affect its chances of renewal, which were looking pretty positive as of when it went off air.
Anyway, how to fill the gulf of time until it returns (or rather, how to fill that part of the gulf of time that needs to relax with not-to-be-taken-that-seriously TV shows). Well, obviously, a complete re-watch is in order, and I have in fact started that - my second re-watch, actually, since I did the same thing when it went on hiatus in November (yes, I'm a fan, can you tell?). I'm finding myself laughing out loud quite a lot this time - certainly more than I did the first time, though I always found the show humorous -which goes to show I really am in that happy place you go to when you first join a fandom and everything about the source material seems wonderful, and if anyone critiques it, you feel a little cross on its behalf - especially if you know the critiquer is not 'a fan like you' and therefore 'doesn't get it.'
Further to that, I've now watched two episodes. The second is the one where Lucifer and Chloe cross paths with a scuzzy paparazzo, who feels so guilty about the things he's done in his life, he's prepared to take the fall for his protege, who is doing even worse things. Remember that? Anyway, towards the end of the episode, Lucifer and Maze set up a punishment scenario, where they invite the paparazzo and his erstwhile protege - AKA murderous little scumbag - to take potshots at each other. Before they do, Lucifer 'apologises' to them for the fact that, if they go to hell, there's no one to sort out their punishments there, and I found myself thinking, 'Ah-hah! That statement was totally contradicted by what happened in the latest episode (season 2 ep 13, for anyone who cares), in which hell seemed to be carrying on quite happily without Lucifer's presence.
Maybe someone else is in charge, I thought, or maybe it's just a case of the show writers forgetting, or retconning, what they'd previously made canon? And that's when I thought, 'Aww, how terribly Jossian,' and instantly forgave them.
I really am far gone, aren't I?
Other thoughts in brief:
All seven of the main characters (Lucifer, Chloe, Amenadiel, Maze, Dan, Dr Linda, Trixie) are fully formed and fleshed out from the very first episode. I found that quite impressive, though it probably happens in most shows and I've forgotten. Tom Ellis, in particular, is really, really good.
Lucifer used to wear a leather jacket quite often in the early season 1 episodes, but he's stopped. I forget whether he says why. Will have to listen out and see.
Then there's the comics - or, to be specific, the new Lucifer comics series by Holly Black and Lee Garbett, (which I've only read the first graphic novel of, so please don't spoiler me for anything later) which features many of the surviving characters from the original series by Mike Carey, with the addition of Lucifer's brother Gabriel, who I understand has featured in Hellblazer, but who (I think) is only seen once in the original Lucifer series. Gabriel has, at some point, lost his wings and been thrown out of heaven (also known as the Silver City). He also has a gaping hole in his chest where his heart has been ripped out by a succubus that John Constantine tricked him into having sex with - and it's that, in fact, that caused him to be thrown out of heaven in the first place.
Seems to me that the story of Gabriel from the comics is being conflated somewhat with Amenadiel in the show, here. Amenadiel believes that the loss of his angelic powers, including his wings, is down to various sins he's committed since coming to earth, including having sex with a demon.
Either that, or the show writers were thinking about Preacher with the Amenadiel/Maze hook-up (which I'll think even more if Maze does end up pregnant), or are ripping off Supernatural, which I know very little about, except what I've read on various fan wikis. But even if they have done it a little bit with the character of Lucifer's mother (there isn't one all-powerful celestial being, there are two, male and female, like in Supernatural, which is not the case in the comics) I don't think they need to go there again, actually, and I hope they won't. There's enough source material from the Lucifer comics, including a huge amount of dysfunctional family stuff they can do with Lucifer and his brother and sister angels.
And it probably goes two ways anyway. The Lucifer comics series pre-dates the later seasons of Supernatural. Pop culture will eat itself, etc, etc.