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shapinglightJust re-appearing very briefly with a GoT review.
Spoilers behind cut.
I haven't managed to get online all weekend, and have only had time for a very brief look at LJ. That was long enough, however, to see that some people on my flist were very upset by the Jaime/Cersei scene in this episode.
I don't really share your upset because - despite all the Jaime/Brienne scenes in the previous season (which I loved)- I am just not as invested in Jaime as I am/was in Spike (don't think I'll ever let myself get that invested in a fictional character again, it hurts too much when they are made to do bad things/bad things are done to them). That said, I don't understand the reasoning behind making the scene in question so different in character to how it apparently was in the books (wouldn't know as have not read past book 1). Having incestuous sex next to the dead body of your murdered son is bad enough without making it non-consensual (at least to start with) sex on top of that.
I wonder if the showrunners thought they could get away with it because they think everyone hates Cersei?
Probably.
This incident apart, the scenes around Joffrey's corpse were some of the best in the episode. Tywin schooling Tommen in what it takes to be a good king and completely ignoring Cersei's remonstrance about how it was hardly the time or place was masterful (I felt genuinely sorry for Cersei), and most of the Cersei/Jaime scene was good too. It just went very bad at the end.
Boy, does that bring back horrible BtVS memories.
Elsewhere, Arya and the Hound are getting on like a house on fire (literally), but I think the Hound is right. He's far from the worst person roaming around Westeros. Yes, he stole from the poor farmer, but he didn't kill him, and he could have. I think Arya knew it too.
Granny Tyrell, meanwhile, has moved to the top of my list of suspects in the Who Killed Joffrey? sweepstakes. Maybe it's not so much Tywin who might have thought Joffrey too difficult to manage, but Granny Tyrell? Or maybe she was just too fond of Margaery to let her marry such an awful person? Who knows? All I know is, I still don't miss Joffrey one bit.
Up at the Wall, Jon Snow seems to be getting on slightly better with Ser Alliser Thorne, and Sam, trying to do the right thing by Gilly, seems to have ended up doing the wrongest thing he could possibly have done.
In the opposite direction, Dany continues to be awesome and the new Daario continues to not grate nearly as much. Am wondering, though, why, when Jorah features in an episode, the title credits list Iain Glen at the end, saying 'with Iain Glen.' Does that mean he's more important/less important? What?
No Theon stuff in this episode, thank f**K. Am still hopeful (not very, though) that Ramsay Bolton will bump into the cannibal Wildlings and get eaten.
That's it. Not sure when I'll be back again.
ETA: Just want to emphasise, I'm not minimising the upset other people are feeling. I understand how you feel all too well. So very sorry.
Spoilers behind cut.
I haven't managed to get online all weekend, and have only had time for a very brief look at LJ. That was long enough, however, to see that some people on my flist were very upset by the Jaime/Cersei scene in this episode.
I don't really share your upset because - despite all the Jaime/Brienne scenes in the previous season (which I loved)- I am just not as invested in Jaime as I am/was in Spike (don't think I'll ever let myself get that invested in a fictional character again, it hurts too much when they are made to do bad things/bad things are done to them). That said, I don't understand the reasoning behind making the scene in question so different in character to how it apparently was in the books (wouldn't know as have not read past book 1). Having incestuous sex next to the dead body of your murdered son is bad enough without making it non-consensual (at least to start with) sex on top of that.
I wonder if the showrunners thought they could get away with it because they think everyone hates Cersei?
Probably.
This incident apart, the scenes around Joffrey's corpse were some of the best in the episode. Tywin schooling Tommen in what it takes to be a good king and completely ignoring Cersei's remonstrance about how it was hardly the time or place was masterful (I felt genuinely sorry for Cersei), and most of the Cersei/Jaime scene was good too. It just went very bad at the end.
Boy, does that bring back horrible BtVS memories.
Elsewhere, Arya and the Hound are getting on like a house on fire (literally), but I think the Hound is right. He's far from the worst person roaming around Westeros. Yes, he stole from the poor farmer, but he didn't kill him, and he could have. I think Arya knew it too.
Granny Tyrell, meanwhile, has moved to the top of my list of suspects in the Who Killed Joffrey? sweepstakes. Maybe it's not so much Tywin who might have thought Joffrey too difficult to manage, but Granny Tyrell? Or maybe she was just too fond of Margaery to let her marry such an awful person? Who knows? All I know is, I still don't miss Joffrey one bit.
Up at the Wall, Jon Snow seems to be getting on slightly better with Ser Alliser Thorne, and Sam, trying to do the right thing by Gilly, seems to have ended up doing the wrongest thing he could possibly have done.
In the opposite direction, Dany continues to be awesome and the new Daario continues to not grate nearly as much. Am wondering, though, why, when Jorah features in an episode, the title credits list Iain Glen at the end, saying 'with Iain Glen.' Does that mean he's more important/less important? What?
No Theon stuff in this episode, thank f**K. Am still hopeful (not very, though) that Ramsay Bolton will bump into the cannibal Wildlings and get eaten.
That's it. Not sure when I'll be back again.
ETA: Just want to emphasise, I'm not minimising the upset other people are feeling. I understand how you feel all too well. So very sorry.