Game of Thrones Season 5 Ep 4 (the clueless about the books POV)

[shapinglight]

Just watched this and...

Spoilers



No idea whether it even matters now whether I'm clueless about the books or not.

Anyway, I thought it was very exciting, am glad that Grey Worm isn't dead (probably), am wondering who the hell that woman is who seems to be working for the blokes in the golden masks. Am also wondering just when Cersei's idiotic decision to empower a bunch of nasty religious fanatics will come back to bite her in the arse (soon, please let it be soon). Likewise hoping that Ser Loras won't end up horribly dead and (and never expecting to think this) hoping that Littlefinger arriving back in Kingslanding will alter the balance in favour of the pro-brothel, yay!wine party (even though Littlefinger is still a git).

What else am I wondering?

Oh yes, how long will it be till Melisandre takes revenge on Jon for refusing her advances, and (along with Tyrion) whether it'll do poor Jorah a blind bit of good kidnapping Tyrion and presenting him to Dany (doesn't seem likely).

I also have my fingers firmly crossed that the show will allow Sansa to take horrible revenge on the horrible Boltons.

Not that sorry about Ser Barristan. I always saw him as a rival to Jorah. Still, glad he got an heroic death.

Finally, not sure what I think about the Sand Snakes. They're a bit campy, aren't they? I predict that Bronn will have sex with at least one of them. Possibly with all three. And I still think their idea of revenge is grotesque.

Finally, finally, did anyone think Ser Barristan's very Jossian final scene with Dany, which emphasised what a nice bloke Rhaegar Targaryan was, is setting us up for the revelation that Rhaegar never raped Lyanna Stark, who was actually in love with him and Jon Snow is their oddly combustible (if you remember that scene in season 1 where he saved Lord Mormont from the zombie?) son?

Just me, then.

Comments

[kikimay]

Poor ser Barristan! I'm also starting to think that maybe Grey Worm isn't really dead. (I really like him. He's cute and the actor is very hot) I hope he's not dead.

Anyway yes, he was talking about Rhaegar and then it happened. Stannis also made an interesting comment about Ned Stark and Sansa went to see Lyanna's tomb. Is this all foreshadowing? I don't know if you are familiar with the popular L+R=J, which is only a theory so far so it won't spoil you anything.

Also - and I recently discovered this - George Martin stated that Targaryens are not fireproof. What happened at the pyre with Dany was a miracle and that they have more resistance than regular people, but eventually they burn too. I don't know if the showrunners are planning to change that.

I also want Sansa to take sweet revenge on the Boltons! Please, let her kill Ramsay! But honestly all my feelings for the Shireen & Stannis scene. It was so beautiful.

[shapinglight]

But honestly all my feelings for the Shireen & Stannis scene. It was so beautiful.

Aargh! I meant to mention that, but forgot. It was a very nice scene that showed Stannis in a somewhat different light.

As for Dany not being entirely fireproof, pish! to that, I say. I hope the show keeps her asbestos-y nature, even if the books say otherwise.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Yeah they're way off book now. Poor Barristan and Gray Worm. I do hope Gray Worm lives but I'm doubtful. However it does leave openings for new counsellors.

I was struck by the number of Rhaegar mentions (and year the Barristam stories of Rhaegar the non violent studious type are in the book so we've been asked to wonder whether the rape thing was Robert unable to accept that Lyanna chose someone over him. However the rape story is out there so who knows what the objective truth is. ). At any rate all the Rhaegar and Lyanna mentions makes me hope for a confirm or deny of r+l=j theory. The stannis/Shireen scene was nice. I don't remember it from the book though my impression from the book is that the scene is a believable reflection of the emotion. And Cersei is an idiot. I hope Granny Tyrell can save Loras but we're off book so I just don't know!!

[shapinglight]

Yeah they're way off book now. Poor Barristan and Gray Worm. I do hope Gray Worm lives but I'm doubtful. However it does leave openings for new counsellors.

I think Grey Worm is still alive, but poor Ser Barristan is toast. Apparently, the actor was a little put out at this development because he knew his character was still alive in the books and was looking forward to what might come next. ;(

As for new counsellors, I suppose the way is being cleared for Tyrion. I just wish I didn't have a horrid feeling that Jorah, too, will be swept away by the end of the season. I know there's a clip of him fighting in the arena in the season preview. My worst case scenario is that Dany re-institutes these arena fights to placate the Meereenese, Jorah volunteers to fight because he thinks that if he loses she'll save him, and she...just doesn't.

I'd hate that. It would also, of course, mean that the show-runners have dispensed with Jorah's entire story arc that you hinted at, and I would be sad about that too. it sounded interesting.

And Cersei is an idiot.

Yeah, I wonder if she'd be so pleased with herself if she'd heard what the Sparrows were saying about Tommen.

I hope Granny Tyrell can save Loras but we're off book so I just don't know!!

I hope it's not an excuse to show a horrible violent execution. You just never know with this show. :(

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Re; the fighting pits, Dany, Jorah, Daario, Hizdar, etc. it's really hard to say exactly what happens. They just killed Selmy. That didn't happen in the book and it changes what happens post climax of the plot so we'll have to wait and see. But I think they'll never forego the major 'hell yeah!!' Moment in the plot. Although I'm less worried re Jorah and fighting pit than I am the possibility of the possibility of their keeping at least part of the Jon Connington plot by giving it to Jorah

[shapinglight]

I don't know who Jon Connington is (beyond, obvs, yet another of the new characters that GRRM seems to be unable to help himself introducing). Is this plot something I would be very unlikely to like, then, if Jorah gets stuck with some of it?

[paratti.livejournal.com]

Definitely part of it you wouldm't.

[shapinglight]

:(

I hope they just ditch it, then.

[paratti.livejournal.com]

I fear if he has got someone else's plot it's probably essential to the endgamge.

[shapinglight]

Okay, I had to check out what you were talking about and have to say, I hope they leave that plot out altogether.

It sounds like unnecessary complication to me.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Yeah but I keep wondering about the mentions of---

We should know pretty soon if they're going that route.

Connington is a character left out of the show. He's an exhiles Weserosi knight loyal to the Targaryens who travelled with Tyrion prior to Tyrion being kidnapped by Jorah.

It's hard to say all of Conningtons story purpose because it hasn't all played out and was ongoing at the end of Dance with Dragons. It would basically hang a permanent sword of Damocles over Jorah's head, though, which you wouldn't like. It might ensure he gets to invade Westeros though as that was what Connington was doing last we saw him ( not that Jorrah was faring much better as he was heading into battle last we saw him).

Dance ended with a bunch of cliffhangers.

[shapinglight]

Ah.

I wonder if GRRM has written down the rest of the plot in bullet points, just in case he decides one day that it's just too much trouble to write it all out?

I don't mind Jorah invading Westeros, I suppose, but I'd rather he stayed near(ish) to Dany.

Unless that means he ends up dead, of course. Which it could. :(

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

I wonder what they will do with Littlefinger back in town.

And I think you are right about the sand snakes. They came off completely over the top. Maybe they will get a bit better over time. I found it curious that they did not switch target to Jaime once they knew, he was in Dorne. Way more honorable and guilty target than Myrcella.

I think they should have changed the plot all the way.

[shapinglight]

I found it curious that they did not switch target to Jaime once they knew, he was in Dorne. Way more honorable and guilty target than Myrcella.

Yes, it just made me dislike them, when really, if it weren't that they want to kill Myrcella, I'd be quite sympathetic.

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

Yep. It kind of made sense, when there was nobody else to latch onto. But Jaime is the perfect guy for the job. He's Cersei's lover. He was actually there when Oberyn's sister was killed due to Lannister treason. Best of all, he is not officially in Dorne, so his demise would not start a war.

I'm really sad they offed Ser Barristan. He was my favorite character in Dance with Dragons. Even had his own chapters...

I guess they plan to speed up Tyrion meeting Dany (which has not really happened in the books yet) and becoming her advisor.

[shapinglight]

I guess they plan to speed up Tyrion meeting Dany (which has not really happened in the books yet) and becoming her advisor.

I was thinking that too, and consequently am a bit worried what it might mean for Jorah. :(

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

I don't know. I tend to think it would be a bit pointless to kill him now. The punch would have been way more packed, if she had executed him right away.

Might be that he plays some sort of suicidal savior role for her though.To complete his Spike image.

I think Tyrion might be a good leveling influence on Dany's black and white thinking.

[shapinglight]

Might be that he plays some sort of suicidal savior role for her though.To complete his Spike image.

I wouldn't mind that so much, as long as it doesn't happen until the final season.

I knew they would never be a couple. He's too old etc, etc.

I just want her to care about him again before he dies.

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

I think chances are good for that.

[shapinglight]

Aw, thanks. That makes me feel a bit better.

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

I for one am going to miss Ser Barristan. Dany really is in deep water right now, and she just keeps losing people who might be able to help...

Finally, finally, did anyone think Ser Barristan's very Jossian final scene with Dany, which emphasised what a nice bloke Rhaegar Targaryan was, is setting us up for the revelation that Rhaegar never raped Lyanna Stark, who was actually in love with him and Jon Snow is their oddly combustible (if you remember that scene in season 1 where he saved Lord Mormont from the zombie?) son?

Huh. Interesting idea. Though how would that work in a canon where hair colour always gives away who your father was? Unless the white hair skipped a generation and passed to his wolf... (That is how genetics work, right?)

Looking forward to more Jorah/Tyrion scenes. This season is all about people travelling places and annoying each other. And I loved Tyrion's approach to getting his gag off.



And I'm really miffed that they didn't have Jaime say "I am not left-handed!" when fighting off that beach patrol.

[curiouswombat.livejournal.com]

Dany really is in deep water

My entire knowledge of the series is based on what Shapinglight thinks, and what my daughter thinks :)

So I suppose it was almost inevitable that I misread your comment and thought she was in Waterdeep for a moment or two. I was looking forward to it until I realised that wasn't actually what you said!

[shapinglight]

I for one am going to miss Ser Barristan. Dany really is in deep water right now, and she just keeps losing people who might be able to help...

Yes, and speaking of whom, I have a horrible feeling that when Jorah turns up in Meereen with Tyrion she's just going to reject him (Jorah, that is), and he's going to die too.

:Gloom:

Huh. Interesting idea. Though how would that work in a canon where hair colour always gives away who your father was? Unless the white hair skipped a generation and passed to his wolf... (That is how genetics work, right?)

It could well be in Westeros. ;)

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Jon looks like a Stark... Which could still work as his looking like Lyanna. In the book Arya and Jon looked the most alike and Arys is said to look like Lyanna. Both Robb and Sansa were redheads like their mother.