Game of Thrones Season 6 Ep 10
Jun. 27th, 2016 05:22 pmBeen reading various reviewers' thoughts about this season of GoT, and the consensus seems to be that it hasn't been as good as previous ones.
This baffles me, because in my opinion, season 6 is way better than season 5, which was at times quite dull and at others (whenever a horrible Bolton was on screen), unnecessarily horrible.
Anyway, spoilers for the season finale behind cut.
That said, though we are clearly building up to the end-game, I can't help feeling that we've gone full-circle back to the beginning of season 2 in some ways.
To whit:
There's a nasty blonde psychopath on the Iron Throne, and invading armies, led by rival contenders, are approaching from all sides.
You've got to admire Cersei, I suppose. She's really tough. She took Tommen's death without a flinch. On the other hand, she's completely and utterly horrible, and I'm now wondering what Jaime was thinking when he was looking at her at the end there. Was he remembering how he broke his oath and killed the Mad King to stop him doing what Cersei has now actually done?
I'm not sorry to see the back of the High Sparrow, obvs, but I am pissed off about Margaery. I feel like, as with Osha, a great character has ultimately been wasted. I'm only glad that Margaery got to tell the High Sparrow to STFU about the gods, before they all got blown to smithereens.
Other storylines, concluded (for the season), more satisfyingly, with Dany and her dragons finally on the way to Westeros, and the north once more united under a Stark (or a Targaryen, actually, but who cares? And I loved seeing Jon and Sansa hug again. It's so good that they have each other), and -very, very satisfyingly for me, given what lame characters they are - with Granny Tyrell, hell-bent on revenge, telling the ridiculous Sandsnakes to shut up and let the grown ups talk.
I did think they could have done more with Uncle Benjen's brief return (after so effing long!), but no doubt he'll get a heroic death scene at some point before the end of the series. And who knows? Maybe Melisandre will too? I wonder what she'll do with herself now? If she really thinks Jon Snow is The One, she surely won't offer her services to Cersei, or whoever? We'll see, I suppose.
Likewise, we'll see if Arya makes it back to her siblings (her revenge on the Freys was a bit too grisly for me, have to say, but at least it's over), and if she meets up with the Hound on the way.
Then there's Bran, of course. Will he also make it back to Winterfell, and what will he do with his newfound knowledge that Jon isn't his brother but his cousin (which would make no difference round our way, but they might feel differently in Westeros)?
So anyway, yes, a strong season on the whole, I thought. The cast was whittled down considerably with the following casualties among the recurring characters:
All the Boltons (hoorah!
All the Freys (likewise)
Osha (boo! waste!)
Rickon Stark and Shaggydog the direwolf (sad)
Margaery and Loras (boo!and waste where Margaery's concerned)
Tommen (also sad)
The High Sparrow and Mrs Psycho Bell-Ringing Nun (hoorah!)
Hodor and Summer the direwolf (also sad)
The Waif (not going to miss her one bit)
The Giant (also, also sad)
Theon and Yara's dad (who cares?)
Tell me if I've forgotten anyone.
It also looks to me like Daario Wotsit is gone for good, and it's possible that Jorah Mormont may be too, but I think it's more likely we'll see him again than Daario.
Best new character: Little Lady Mormont.
So what did you all think?
ETA: Should have said, I think Tyrion fell in love with Dany in this episode. Everyone does in the end.
ETA: 2 I have thought of another regular character who was killed - Grandmaester Pycelle. Not going to miss him either.
This baffles me, because in my opinion, season 6 is way better than season 5, which was at times quite dull and at others (whenever a horrible Bolton was on screen), unnecessarily horrible.
Anyway, spoilers for the season finale behind cut.
That said, though we are clearly building up to the end-game, I can't help feeling that we've gone full-circle back to the beginning of season 2 in some ways.
To whit:
There's a nasty blonde psychopath on the Iron Throne, and invading armies, led by rival contenders, are approaching from all sides.
You've got to admire Cersei, I suppose. She's really tough. She took Tommen's death without a flinch. On the other hand, she's completely and utterly horrible, and I'm now wondering what Jaime was thinking when he was looking at her at the end there. Was he remembering how he broke his oath and killed the Mad King to stop him doing what Cersei has now actually done?
I'm not sorry to see the back of the High Sparrow, obvs, but I am pissed off about Margaery. I feel like, as with Osha, a great character has ultimately been wasted. I'm only glad that Margaery got to tell the High Sparrow to STFU about the gods, before they all got blown to smithereens.
Other storylines, concluded (for the season), more satisfyingly, with Dany and her dragons finally on the way to Westeros, and the north once more united under a Stark (or a Targaryen, actually, but who cares? And I loved seeing Jon and Sansa hug again. It's so good that they have each other), and -very, very satisfyingly for me, given what lame characters they are - with Granny Tyrell, hell-bent on revenge, telling the ridiculous Sandsnakes to shut up and let the grown ups talk.
I did think they could have done more with Uncle Benjen's brief return (after so effing long!), but no doubt he'll get a heroic death scene at some point before the end of the series. And who knows? Maybe Melisandre will too? I wonder what she'll do with herself now? If she really thinks Jon Snow is The One, she surely won't offer her services to Cersei, or whoever? We'll see, I suppose.
Likewise, we'll see if Arya makes it back to her siblings (her revenge on the Freys was a bit too grisly for me, have to say, but at least it's over), and if she meets up with the Hound on the way.
Then there's Bran, of course. Will he also make it back to Winterfell, and what will he do with his newfound knowledge that Jon isn't his brother but his cousin (which would make no difference round our way, but they might feel differently in Westeros)?
So anyway, yes, a strong season on the whole, I thought. The cast was whittled down considerably with the following casualties among the recurring characters:
All the Boltons (hoorah!
All the Freys (likewise)
Osha (boo! waste!)
Rickon Stark and Shaggydog the direwolf (sad)
Margaery and Loras (boo!and waste where Margaery's concerned)
Tommen (also sad)
The High Sparrow and Mrs Psycho Bell-Ringing Nun (hoorah!)
Hodor and Summer the direwolf (also sad)
The Waif (not going to miss her one bit)
The Giant (also, also sad)
Theon and Yara's dad (who cares?)
Tell me if I've forgotten anyone.
It also looks to me like Daario Wotsit is gone for good, and it's possible that Jorah Mormont may be too, but I think it's more likely we'll see him again than Daario.
Best new character: Little Lady Mormont.
So what did you all think?
ETA: Should have said, I think Tyrion fell in love with Dany in this episode. Everyone does in the end.
ETA: 2 I have thought of another regular character who was killed - Grandmaester Pycelle. Not going to miss him either.
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Date: 2016-06-27 04:44 pm (UTC)I'm in no way claiming that the show doesn't make mistakes. But truly a lot of the 'dumbing down' or rather the streamlining of the plot is necessary. GRRM has suffered Anne Rice syndrome, the point where you are so successful the publisher is happy to let you write doorstop times without making you edit that m-effer, into a reasonable book rather than a huge load on loosely connected ideas. I see complaints about 'jet suits' which while they have some point is still preferable in ramping up to a climax than a 1400 page novel where characters travel the whole book and still don't reach their destinations (looking at you, Dance of Dragons). Frankly, I think there have been as many improvements to the books as there have been mistakes. No show is perfect. Mistakes are made. But they are doing a pretty good job IMHO. And a few meh episodes aside, I consider this to be one of the strongest seasons of the show to date. So there.*
* I do kind of get the upset of Jaime fans. He's far more of a Cersei appendage in the show than he is in the book. Many think they've devalued his journey. And I can see that though I always have had a less positive opinion of him than his most fervent fans. Yes, he's moved further from Cersei in the books, but he's still quite prone to superficiality. He doesn't look deep. Even his pondering of honor hinges on his own reputation. But, yeah, in the book he's less of a Cersei enabler. I think it's more in the show because shows don't exist in a characters internal dialog. They have to have someone for her to talk to and Jaime is the only person who can tolerate her or see anything worth taking seriously in her demented mean girl act
Anyway, the finale rocked :) And I adored Granny Tyrell telling the Sand Snakes to shut up and let the adults handle things. Watch out,Cersei. Granny Tyrell wants you taken DOWN.
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Date: 2016-06-27 05:50 pm (UTC)I do so hope she gets her revenge. I would absolutely love it.
I don't know if the reviews I read were by disgruntled book readers. Could well be. But like you, I don't understand why the books are so highly thought of anyway (I only managed to get through one of them). They're rambly and overly-complicated. You just can't do that in a TV show. The show is nearing its end. They have to focus on the characters the viewers know and care about (or, if not care about, are interested in seeing what happens to).
I am sorry about Osha, and about Margaery, but unless she had escaped with her grandmother, I'm not sure how she could have been saved. It's just a shame that all her scheming and pulling the wool over the High Sparrow's eyes to save Loras had so little payback. I'll miss her.
As for Jaime, I agree that, apart from when he was travelling with Brienne, he is pretty much a Cersei appendage, but that could still change. The look he gave her when she sat down on the Iron Throne wasn't exactly one of approbation.
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Date: 2016-06-27 05:38 pm (UTC)I was sorry to see Margaery die, too. And poor Tommen. Cersei, I think, has gone completely mad. It's amazing how much she looked like Tommen (and Joffrey) when she took the throne.
(We also lost Ian McShane's character, who was only in a couple of scenes but made a real impact, I thought. And the lady actor).
Did you notice the look that passed between Sansa and Littlefinger when Jon was declared king? I think she's realised that Jon won't be safe whilst Littlefinger's alive.
And... Tyrion is returning to Westeros, and Sansa is still married to him!
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Date: 2016-06-27 05:54 pm (UTC)Yeah, I did. That really worried me, have to say. Littlefinger is going to do something awful, isn't he? Like take his troops over to Cersei.
I didn't include Ian McShane's character or the actress because they were only in this season, but yes, they were both good characters. It's a shame. Still, at least we still have little Lady Mormont.
ETA: Is Sansa really still married to Tyrion? I thought he set her free when they banged him up in prison, given that the marriage was unconsummated. Then she married Ramsey Bolton. Anwyay, I'm sure Tyrion won't insist on her being married to him again.
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Date: 2016-06-27 07:28 pm (UTC)That's an interesting point, though no one but them knew it, I think, and it would be hard to prove now. I don't think Tyrion would insist, but -- as a book reader! -- I've always been anticipating an alliance between Jon & Dany against the white walkers and, in that case, it might be a factor, especially since, in the TV series at least, Sansa was, I think, beginning see the good in him.
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Date: 2016-06-28 03:36 pm (UTC)It might not have done at one point, but she's so much harder now.
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Date: 2016-06-27 08:22 pm (UTC)* I thought his death scene was pretty much borrowed from a similar scene in the brilliant film Ida, the same heartbreakingly casual matter-of-fact of it.
Lyanna Mormont, Queen in the North.
Arya Stark, Queen in the Middle.
Granny Tyrell, Queen in the South. Can we have a spinoff with nothing but a whole season of Dame Diana telling the Sandsnakes to shut the hell up?
And also, Sam The Librarian?
I agree that this was a strong season, and definitely better and more focused than s5; yes, the plot is noticeably less cynical and more standard fantasy 1A than it was when they had to stick to GRRM's books, but that makes sense in a way; the characters have come the long way around and now they have to build something new, if it's not going to end with the White Walkers simply overrunning the whole continent.
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Date: 2016-06-28 03:40 pm (UTC)Yep. She was pretty good - and though I'm very sorry about Margaery, Loras and their nice, but ineffectual, dad I didn't mind in the slightest seeing everyone else go up in smoke.
I agree Tommen's death scene was very strong. The most shocking thing in the episode really. I did not see it coming.
Granny Tyrell, Queen in the South. Can we have a spinoff with nothing but a whole season of Dame Diana telling the Sandsnakes to shut the hell up?
I'd watch it. ;)
and now they have to build something new, if it's not going to end with the White Walkers simply overrunning the whole continent.
What do you think about that now? I know you were all for it at the end of season 5. I pretty much was myself. There didn't seem to be anyone left to cheer for.
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Date: 2016-06-28 05:12 pm (UTC)I think season 6, and especially the last few episodes, more or less won me back to cheering for humanity. The villains were less superpowered, and the quote-unquote "heroes" more proactive and actually prepared to do something. It's not so much that s4-s5 didn't have people to cheer for, it just felt pointless since they were all going to turn evil or die from idiocy the second you started cheering for them. Now it feels like there's hope for a future in Westeros, even if it's not necessarily a GREAT future for everyone involved, at least something is growing out of the chaos. The fact that it's the female characters who have gotten to kick ass so much this season doesn't hurt either.
...That said, it's not like I'd feel cheated if it did end with the Night's King reigning supreme. :)
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Date: 2016-06-28 08:23 pm (UTC)Have to say, that did feel like a sea-change, as it were, this season. There was a lot less nudity and a lot less female victimisation, without, IMO, it looking too much like someone trying belatedly to tick various boxes.
...That said, it's not like I'd feel cheated if it did end with the Night's King reigning supreme. :)
Well, it'd certainly go with the tone of the series as a whole, that's for sure.
Should have said, btw, how much I liked Jon and Sansa's little moment of reconciliation, where Sansa said about how winter had come and 'Father' was always promising it.
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Date: 2016-06-29 06:41 am (UTC)Yep. That, and Sansa's proud smile when Jon Snow got elected. I do wish they'd put a little more thought into her explanation for why she didn't tell Jon that Littlefinger's army was coming - just have her say "I couldn't be sure if he'd actually show up" - but hey. More Stark siblingry next season, please.
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Date: 2016-06-29 09:42 am (UTC)Yes, yes, yes! I hope that Sansa and Arya will get on better now. Hopefully, they'll be able to see that both have been through hell since Ned was arrested and executed and find some mutual understanding.
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Date: 2016-06-27 09:44 pm (UTC)I hope Lady Oleanna makes them pay dearly for it.
The finale was pure gold and over here the reviews were pretty impressed. I like the books, but I also like the much faster pacing of the show and that it doesn't have so much violence. The books are not the gold standard for me. In some ways the books are better, in some ways the show is.
I really hope that the books will do the Sept of Baelor thing too. Maybe without killing Magaery.
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Date: 2016-06-28 03:43 pm (UTC)Yes, I wish that too. But given Granny's scene in Dorne, I think she is really and truly gone, which is a huge shame. :(
I hope Lady Oleanna makes them pay dearly for it.
Boy, yes! Me too. On the face of it, it shouldn't be too hard. Everyone hates Cersei. She has no allies at all. I'm not counting her out just yet, though.
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Date: 2016-06-28 02:41 am (UTC)I miss Margaery already :( I want Natalie Dormer on my screen all the time.
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Date: 2016-06-28 03:45 pm (UTC)Yes, I agree. I'd say Jorah Mormont, love he also loves her romantically, loves her like that too - and would have stoically endured seeing her with other men for the rest of his life is he hadn't got this horrible illness.
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Date: 2016-06-28 04:59 am (UTC)I think Cersei has just lost her mind now. Her children were all that kept her tethered to humanity. Now she has lost them one by one. She is more dangerous than ever.
But I'm still a little confused. Margaery was faking it, right? Was Tommen???? Sometimes I really don't get what's going on. And by the way, Tommen could have made a choice to make a difference in the world. Instead, he simply offed himself. Margaery would not have done that if the situation was reversed.
I would note all the character development in Tyrion, but I think that character was there all the time, just waiting for a cause. But I think Dany is not worthy of the adoration she seems to engender. Sure, she's all flashy with her silver hair and her dragons. But I think in the end, all her adoring masses are bowing to a false god. Doesn't mean she won't take the thrown. I just find her more narcissistic than inspiring.
I've always appreciated the filming qualities of this show, but season 6 took it to a new level. Every shot is like a beautiful painting. And the music... OMG. The music is so incredible, it makes me shiver. Good job, producers!!!
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Date: 2016-06-28 04:07 pm (UTC)It certainly makes you feel a little short-changed when you know you have to wait a whole year to find out what happens next - and that when you do, the season will be shorter even than this one.
I agree that Cersei is now completely crazy. It'll be plain as plain where Joffrey got his psychotic tendencies from.
But I'm still a little confused. Margaery was faking it, right? Was Tommen????
Margaery was definitely faking it. I think she only played along with the High Sparrow at all to try and get her brother set free. She was pretty outraged when he still ended up mutilated. I just wish she'd had a bit more of a chance to give the High Sparrow his comeuppance before they all went up inflames.
As for Tommen, I don't think he was faking it. I think he really had given up and accepted the High Sparrow as his mentor. I suspect that was why Cersei was so accepting of his death. She loved him, but she also felt betrayed by him. Agree that Margaery would not have killed herself if Tommen had died and not her.
I half-agree with you about Dany. I think she could still go either way. But as long as she continues to listen to Tyrion, Jorah, and other moderating influences, she might come good as ruler in the end.
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Date: 2016-06-28 09:36 am (UTC)We also seem to have moved from "let's see lots of breasts!" and "women as victims" to incipient matriarchy across the board, which makes me happy.
I think Cersei is going to melt down on that throne pretty quickly but it was nice watching her blow the hell out of the tedious High Sparrow plot. I had the sense that Jaime is seriously reconsidering things, based on his expression at the coronation. He didn't exactly seem enthused at Riverrun, either. But yeah, that's not so much character development as "oh, we need to get him from here to there, let's show his disillusion."
I keep comparing Jon & Sansa to Theon & Yara. I'm a little uncomfortable with Jon as the Great Kingly Hope when he doesn't really even seem to want it . . .
And, just because I've been saying this in my own mind: Arya! Going all Titus Andronicus on his ass!
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Date: 2016-06-28 04:18 pm (UTC)Heh! Well put.
And it's true. There's been an awful lot less nudity this season. The only scene that really springs to mind was Theon and Yara in the brothel, and even then it was all about the two of them.
I keep comparing Jon & Sansa to Theon & Yara. I'm a little uncomfortable with Jon as the Great Kingly Hope when he doesn't really even seem to want it . . .
Yes, Jon looked incredibly un-enthused by the whole thing. Not that I can blame him. Many of the people acclaiming him hadn't dared do so until Ramsey Bolton was dead. Plus, I expect he's remembering what happened to Robb. Plus, he just seems to be generally miserable.
I did like his little moment with Sansa, though - especially when she said, "Winter has come. Father did always promise," and the little smile they shared.
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Date: 2016-06-28 12:22 pm (UTC)Tyron is definitely in love with Dany and I wonder if that is her curse; having all of these men worship her and not able to love them back...
I still think Jamie will kill Cersie, but it may drag out longer than I originally thought. The writers love Lena and I think they will give her some juicy stuff, before killing her.
I do think next season will be spent wrapping things up regarding who is ruling the kingdoms, so the final season can be devoted to fighting the WW. Not sure when/if Jon's parentage will come to light, but most likely when he meets the dragons and Dany.
Oh and on the kill count, the Lannister that was the hand and his cult son, plus Mace (Margeory and Loras' dad.)
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Date: 2016-06-28 04:32 pm (UTC)Yes, I agree. And I loved Sam's library scene. Should have mentioned it in my review.
I'm sorry that we didn't get to look in on Brienne and Podric, and on Jorah Mormont, but you can't have everything - and it's entirely possible we've seen the last of Jorah Mormont anyway. ;(
I think you may be right about Jaime killing Cersei, but if he does, he'll probably do it in such a way that he dies too.
Oh and on the kill count, the Lannister that was the hand and his cult son, plus Mace (Margeory and Loras' dad.)
You're right. I forgot them. Also the Blackfish. Okay, so we haven't seen him since season 3, but he's still a recurring character.
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Date: 2016-06-29 10:21 am (UTC)I'm saddest about Margaery and Loras, though for different reasons. Margaery was such an excellent character, and now we will never know what her planned endgame was going to be. I was looking forward to watching her take down those Sparrows. I'm upset about Loras because he never really got to be a character at all; show!Loras is weepy and prissy and a bit fem, whereas book!Loras was the fiercest warrior of his generation and got to have lots of adventures. To undercut the strength of his character like that and then end his story with him beaten and broken and shamed before being killed is downright offensive.
I'm now wondering what Jaime was thinking when he was looking at her at the end there. Was he remembering how he broke his oath and killed the Mad King to stop him doing what Cersei has now actually done?
Yes, I was thinking the same thing! Maybe show!Jaime will break with Cersei after all, albeit at a different time and for slightly different reasons than book!Jaime did. I hope so.
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Date: 2016-06-29 03:44 pm (UTC)And you're right. I forgot quite a few cast regulars who died this season.
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Date: 2016-06-30 11:51 pm (UTC)Speaking of come-uppance, I loved the scene of Melisandre being blasted by Ser Davos. Even pouty Jon emerged from his post-death funk and got a bit aereated about Shireen's death.
I almost feel sorry for Cersei: Granny Tyrell is truly formidable.
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Date: 2016-07-01 12:46 pm (UTC)She is. On the other hand, I won't write Cersei off until she's dead (which I hope she is by the end of next season). She's capable of absolutely anything.
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Date: 2016-08-05 09:12 pm (UTC)I can't say I was sad to see Margaery go, because in a show like GoT, we simply need characters to go and I never saw her as one of the characters in the end game so to speak. I was relieved to see Theon finally becoming more of a human being again, and I very much enjoyed Ramsay's demise. What struck me in the last episode was the music. I love the score and I have listened to season 6 on repeat. There are some lovely songs. Ligt of the Seven is exquisite and Winds of Winter. Oh, but there are so many throughout the 6 seasons and the composer Ramin Djawadi plays a huge part in the series' success.
I am quite excited to see what Jaime is up to in season 7. Surely he can't keep wanting Cersei or? Sadly he's been quite the prick in the last couple of seasons. I miss the Jaime who was changing while with Brienne. Wonder if he's lost forever? I did not enjoy Tyrion this season at all. Except for the last episode where his scene with Dany did move me. But the rest of the Meereen scenes were yawn to me this season. I did enjoy Dany and the Khals even if the ending in that episode was a bit too much. But it's Dany and Game of Thrones and alright.
I LOVED the last scenes with Theon looking at the Greyjoy banner which is flickering the wrong way until it turns and straightens and sunlight shines on Theon. Finally, for crying out loud.
And I loved the sight of all those ships heading towards Westeros while Winds of Winter played. It was spectacular like only Game of Thrones can do it.
Frey's death: yuck. But good riddance.
The Hound coming back: YES!!
Littlefinger: oh, die already. Can't stand that character.
Sansa Stark. Sophie Turner gets a lot of hate for her portrayal. I actually think she did a splendid job both in season 5, and in season 6. I'm curious to see what happens in season 7, the second last season. Will Sansa simply end up Lady of Winterfell and that's it?
Bran: I never thought his scenes were very interesting but they might be next season. I hope he reunites with Sansa.
Sorry, late to the game regarding commenting this post, but I'm thrilled to find others who like to watch the show.
I had to learn to be able to watch all that violence but I'm now fully hardened and have watched quite a few episode more than once by now. :D
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Date: 2016-08-07 03:44 pm (UTC)Heh! I'm afraid my tolerance for the extreme violence has, if anything, got less as the show has gone on. But I still love it enough to continue to watch, even if I have to look away/shut my eyes rather a lot. I actually thought that in terms of extreme violence, this season wasn't quite so bad.
I'm afraid don't see Jaime falling out of love with Cersei anytime soon. That doesn't mean that he won't ultimately kill her, but I'm pretty sure he'll make certain he won't survive her death either.
I can't understand people hating on Sophie Turner. I think her Sansa Stark is wonderful. What do people not like about her portrayal?
I'm a member of Watchers on the Wall, the biggest site for fans of the TV show, rather than the books. And the general consensus is that season 6 has been the best of them all.
That's good to know. I was really surprised by the reviews I read. It felt like we'd been watching different shows.
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Date: 2016-08-07 06:45 pm (UTC)They claim she only has 2 facial expressions and basically can't act at all. And I just couldn't disagree more as I think she is excellent as Sansa. Her acting - especially in season 5 but in 6 and earlier seaason too - has moved or impressed me several times.
But it's like with the bad reviews. Sometimes it feels as if we're watching different shows as well as different actors. But you know, there are people out there voting for Donald Trump (not to be political but... )
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Date: 2016-08-10 02:05 pm (UTC)Me too. The character has grown so much sine season 1 and IMO she's portrayed that wonderfully.