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Been reading various reviewers' thoughts about this season of GoT, and the consensus seems to be that it hasn't been as good as previous ones.

This baffles me, because in my opinion, season 6 is way better than season 5, which was at times quite dull and at others (whenever a horrible Bolton was on screen), unnecessarily horrible.

Anyway, spoilers for the season finale behind cut.



That said, though we are clearly building up to the end-game, I can't help feeling that we've gone full-circle back to the beginning of season 2 in some ways.

To whit:

There's a nasty blonde psychopath on the Iron Throne, and invading armies, led by rival contenders, are approaching from all sides.

You've got to admire Cersei, I suppose. She's really tough. She took Tommen's death without a flinch. On the other hand, she's completely and utterly horrible, and I'm now wondering what Jaime was thinking when he was looking at her at the end there. Was he remembering how he broke his oath and killed the Mad King to stop him doing what Cersei has now actually done?

I'm not sorry to see the back of the High Sparrow, obvs, but I am pissed off about Margaery. I feel like, as with Osha, a great character has ultimately been wasted. I'm only glad that Margaery got to tell the High Sparrow to STFU about the gods, before they all got blown to smithereens.

Other storylines, concluded (for the season), more satisfyingly, with Dany and her dragons finally on the way to Westeros, and the north once more united under a Stark (or a Targaryen, actually, but who cares? And I loved seeing Jon and Sansa hug again. It's so good that they have each other), and -very, very satisfyingly for me, given what lame characters they are - with Granny Tyrell, hell-bent on revenge, telling the ridiculous Sandsnakes to shut up and let the grown ups talk.

I did think they could have done more with Uncle Benjen's brief return (after so effing long!), but no doubt he'll get a heroic death scene at some point before the end of the series. And who knows? Maybe Melisandre will too? I wonder what she'll do with herself now? If she really thinks Jon Snow is The One, she surely won't offer her services to Cersei, or whoever? We'll see, I suppose.

Likewise, we'll see if Arya makes it back to her siblings (her revenge on the Freys was a bit too grisly for me, have to say, but at least it's over), and if she meets up with the Hound on the way.

Then there's Bran, of course. Will he also make it back to Winterfell, and what will he do with his newfound knowledge that Jon isn't his brother but his cousin (which would make no difference round our way, but they might feel differently in Westeros)?

So anyway, yes, a strong season on the whole, I thought. The cast was whittled down considerably with the following casualties among the recurring characters:

All the Boltons (hoorah!
All the Freys (likewise)
Osha (boo! waste!)
Rickon Stark and Shaggydog the direwolf (sad)
Margaery and Loras (boo!and waste where Margaery's concerned)
Tommen (also sad)
The High Sparrow and Mrs Psycho Bell-Ringing Nun (hoorah!)
Hodor and Summer the direwolf (also sad)
The Waif (not going to miss her one bit)
The Giant (also, also sad)
Theon and Yara's dad (who cares?)

Tell me if I've forgotten anyone.

It also looks to me like Daario Wotsit is gone for good, and it's possible that Jorah Mormont may be too, but I think it's more likely we'll see him again than Daario.

Best new character: Little Lady Mormont.

So what did you all think?

ETA: Should have said, I think Tyrion fell in love with Dany in this episode. Everyone does in the end.

ETA: 2 I have thought of another regular character who was killed - Grandmaester Pycelle. Not going to miss him either.

Date: 2016-06-27 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
I think it's bitter book readers. And, honestly, I don't get the book adulation. GRRM frequently pads the plot (boy does he pad the plot!), has things happen 'off screen', relies far too heavily on passive voice, and can put a stop to all forward action to dither pointlessly on the ancient history of Volantis for 100 pages. (Or food! How many menus does a book require?!)

I'm in no way claiming that the show doesn't make mistakes. But truly a lot of the 'dumbing down' or rather the streamlining of the plot is necessary. GRRM has suffered Anne Rice syndrome, the point where you are so successful the publisher is happy to let you write doorstop times without making you edit that m-effer, into a reasonable book rather than a huge load on loosely connected ideas. I see complaints about 'jet suits' which while they have some point is still preferable in ramping up to a climax than a 1400 page novel where characters travel the whole book and still don't reach their destinations (looking at you, Dance of Dragons). Frankly, I think there have been as many improvements to the books as there have been mistakes. No show is perfect. Mistakes are made. But they are doing a pretty good job IMHO. And a few meh episodes aside, I consider this to be one of the strongest seasons of the show to date. So there.*


* I do kind of get the upset of Jaime fans. He's far more of a Cersei appendage in the show than he is in the book. Many think they've devalued his journey. And I can see that though I always have had a less positive opinion of him than his most fervent fans. Yes, he's moved further from Cersei in the books, but he's still quite prone to superficiality. He doesn't look deep. Even his pondering of honor hinges on his own reputation. But, yeah, in the book he's less of a Cersei enabler. I think it's more in the show because shows don't exist in a characters internal dialog. They have to have someone for her to talk to and Jaime is the only person who can tolerate her or see anything worth taking seriously in her demented mean girl act


Anyway, the finale rocked :) And I adored Granny Tyrell telling the Sand Snakes to shut up and let the adults handle things. Watch out,Cersei. Granny Tyrell wants you taken DOWN.
Edited Date: 2016-06-27 04:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-06-27 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
I thought it was far better than last season, too -- last season, though I enjoyed it, seemed to be treading water. This season has been all business, especially the last episode.

I was sorry to see Margaery die, too. And poor Tommen. Cersei, I think, has gone completely mad. It's amazing how much she looked like Tommen (and Joffrey) when she took the throne.

(We also lost Ian McShane's character, who was only in a couple of scenes but made a real impact, I thought. And the lady actor).

Did you notice the look that passed between Sansa and Littlefinger when Jon was declared king? I think she's realised that Jon won't be safe whilst Littlefinger's alive.

And... Tyrion is returning to Westeros, and Sansa is still married to him!

Date: 2016-06-27 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
...given that the marriage was unconsummated...

That's an interesting point, though no one but them knew it, I think, and it would be hard to prove now. I don't think Tyrion would insist, but -- as a book reader! -- I've always been anticipating an alliance between Jon & Dany against the white walkers and, in that case, it might be a factor, especially since, in the TV series at least, Sansa was, I think, beginning see the good in him.

Date: 2016-06-29 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
On the other hand, she now knows what a really bad husband and a really bad would-be husband are like!

Date: 2016-06-27 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
I can't wait to see Cersei going down tbh. It was fun to read her chapters, because she's so utterly paranoic and awful it gets fun, but now she's done. She killed Margaery and Loras! And because of her even poor Tommen is dead! I don't see how she can hope to survive surrounded by so many enemies.

Date: 2016-06-27 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
I thought Cersei, evil as she may be, was awesome this episode, TBH. Backed into a corner with only a mad scientist and a zombie on her side, she simply wiped out every single person who might challenge her (except the Evil Nun who got it even worse). Yes, it was horrible for the entire Tyrell family (including Mace, who broke my heart) and she probably hadn't counted on Tommen simply giving up on everything (and boy was that a strong scene*), but after that, after she lost everything, what can she do after the price she paid was too high but continue to play the game? Brava, Ms Headey.

* I thought his death scene was pretty much borrowed from a similar scene in the brilliant film Ida, the same heartbreakingly casual matter-of-fact of it.

Lyanna Mormont, Queen in the North.

Arya Stark, Queen in the Middle.

Granny Tyrell, Queen in the South. Can we have a spinoff with nothing but a whole season of Dame Diana telling the Sandsnakes to shut the hell up?

And also, Sam The Librarian?

I agree that this was a strong season, and definitely better and more focused than s5; yes, the plot is noticeably less cynical and more standard fantasy 1A than it was when they had to stick to GRRM's books, but that makes sense in a way; the characters have come the long way around and now they have to build something new, if it's not going to end with the White Walkers simply overrunning the whole continent.

Date: 2016-06-28 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
What do you think about that now?

I think season 6, and especially the last few episodes, more or less won me back to cheering for humanity. The villains were less superpowered, and the quote-unquote "heroes" more proactive and actually prepared to do something. It's not so much that s4-s5 didn't have people to cheer for, it just felt pointless since they were all going to turn evil or die from idiocy the second you started cheering for them. Now it feels like there's hope for a future in Westeros, even if it's not necessarily a GREAT future for everyone involved, at least something is growing out of the chaos. The fact that it's the female characters who have gotten to kick ass so much this season doesn't hurt either.

...That said, it's not like I'd feel cheated if it did end with the Night's King reigning supreme. :)

Date: 2016-06-29 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
Should have said, btw, how much I liked Jon and Sansa's little moment of reconciliation, where Sansa said about how winter had come and 'Father' was always promising it.

Yep. That, and Sansa's proud smile when Jon Snow got elected. I do wish they'd put a little more thought into her explanation for why she didn't tell Jon that Littlefinger's army was coming - just have her say "I couldn't be sure if he'd actually show up" - but hey. More Stark siblingry next season, please.

Date: 2016-06-27 09:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com
I don't have much time to write, but I adore this season. I loved all the pay back we got. I love it that Arya is not no one. I love that Ramsay got eaten. I love that Dany burned the Khals and that she's finally coming over to play. I even liked Cersei getting her revenge, allthough Margaery's death was the worst this season. She still had so much potential. I wish she could have gotten away somehow.

I hope Lady Oleanna makes them pay dearly for it.

The finale was pure gold and over here the reviews were pretty impressed. I like the books, but I also like the much faster pacing of the show and that it doesn't have so much violence. The books are not the gold standard for me. In some ways the books are better, in some ways the show is.

I really hope that the books will do the Sept of Baelor thing too. Maybe without killing Magaery.

Date: 2016-06-28 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orangerful.livejournal.com
I totally agree about Tyrion being in love with Dany, kind of the same way we are in love with certain actors or rock stars...we love them but know we can never have them, and we are fine with that. She respects him in a way that no one has ever done on the show and he can't help be head over heels!

I miss Margaery already :( I want Natalie Dormer on my screen all the time.

Date: 2016-06-28 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orangerful.livejournal.com
I really really really hope we see Jorah again. :(

Date: 2016-06-28 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killerweasel.livejournal.com
I thought this season was way better than last season. By the end of last season, I'd decided I was done with the show. I hadn't watched any of this one until one of my brothers said it was really great and I caught up. It was certainly less rapey this time around.

Date: 2016-06-28 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasingdemons.livejournal.com
I loved season 6. But 10 episodes is hardly enough for a fully satisfying season!

I think Cersei has just lost her mind now. Her children were all that kept her tethered to humanity. Now she has lost them one by one. She is more dangerous than ever.

But I'm still a little confused. Margaery was faking it, right? Was Tommen???? Sometimes I really don't get what's going on. And by the way, Tommen could have made a choice to make a difference in the world. Instead, he simply offed himself. Margaery would not have done that if the situation was reversed.

I would note all the character development in Tyrion, but I think that character was there all the time, just waiting for a cause. But I think Dany is not worthy of the adoration she seems to engender. Sure, she's all flashy with her silver hair and her dragons. But I think in the end, all her adoring masses are bowing to a false god. Doesn't mean she won't take the thrown. I just find her more narcissistic than inspiring.

I've always appreciated the filming qualities of this show, but season 6 took it to a new level. Every shot is like a beautiful painting. And the music... OMG. The music is so incredible, it makes me shiver. Good job, producers!!!

Date: 2016-06-28 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelseagirl.livejournal.com
Oh, my goodness, I thought this season was *far* superior to last. I have read all the books, and enjoyed the first three, but books four and five were mostly spinning in place -- it seems to me that GRRM has gotten himself stuck. So I'm delighted to see things actually *happening*.

We also seem to have moved from "let's see lots of breasts!" and "women as victims" to incipient matriarchy across the board, which makes me happy.

I think Cersei is going to melt down on that throne pretty quickly but it was nice watching her blow the hell out of the tedious High Sparrow plot. I had the sense that Jaime is seriously reconsidering things, based on his expression at the coronation. He didn't exactly seem enthused at Riverrun, either. But yeah, that's not so much character development as "oh, we need to get him from here to there, let's show his disillusion."

I keep comparing Jon & Sansa to Theon & Yara. I'm a little uncomfortable with Jon as the Great Kingly Hope when he doesn't really even seem to want it . . .

And, just because I've been saying this in my own mind: Arya! Going all Titus Andronicus on his ass!

Date: 2016-06-28 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizziebuffy2008.livejournal.com
I have to admit, I found the first 2/3 of this season boring in parts, mostly due to all the Bravos stuff and the High Sparrow, but I really thought the last 3-4 episodes were wonderful. I was really surprised we pretty much checked in with everyone on the finale; as I said last week, I did not think we would see Arya or Sam & Gillie until next season, so it was nice to see them all like that.

Tyron is definitely in love with Dany and I wonder if that is her curse; having all of these men worship her and not able to love them back...

I still think Jamie will kill Cersie, but it may drag out longer than I originally thought. The writers love Lena and I think they will give her some juicy stuff, before killing her.

I do think next season will be spent wrapping things up regarding who is ruling the kingdoms, so the final season can be devoted to fighting the WW. Not sure when/if Jon's parentage will come to light, but most likely when he meets the dragons and Dany.

Oh and on the kill count, the Lannister that was the hand and his cult son, plus Mace (Margeory and Loras' dad.)

Date: 2016-06-29 10:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lyr
Don't forget Brynden "Blackfish" Tully, Loras and Margaery's dad, Alliser Thorne, Othell Yarwyck, Bowen Marsh, Olly, and Lancel Lannister. The attrition has been typically high.

I'm saddest about Margaery and Loras, though for different reasons. Margaery was such an excellent character, and now we will never know what her planned endgame was going to be. I was looking forward to watching her take down those Sparrows. I'm upset about Loras because he never really got to be a character at all; show!Loras is weepy and prissy and a bit fem, whereas book!Loras was the fiercest warrior of his generation and got to have lots of adventures. To undercut the strength of his character like that and then end his story with him beaten and broken and shamed before being killed is downright offensive.

I'm now wondering what Jaime was thinking when he was looking at her at the end there. Was he remembering how he broke his oath and killed the Mad King to stop him doing what Cersei has now actually done?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing! Maybe show!Jaime will break with Cersei after all, albeit at a different time and for slightly different reasons than book!Jaime did. I hope so.

Date: 2016-06-30 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sibilant.livejournal.com
Yes, it's been a season of attrition and some of the killed characters had juicy storylines before they were unceremoniously despatched. But we're getting down to the nitty-gritty now, and I anticipate next season will be almost entirely focused on the key characters and we will see much come-uppance being had.

Speaking of come-uppance, I loved the scene of Melisandre being blasted by Ser Davos. Even pouty Jon emerged from his post-death funk and got a bit aereated about Shireen's death.

I almost feel sorry for Cersei: Granny Tyrell is truly formidable.

Date: 2016-08-05 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] singedbylife.livejournal.com
I'm a member of Watchers on the Wall, the biggest site for fans of the TV show, rather than the books. And the general consensus is that season 6 has been the best of them all. My guess is like all the others, that the bad reviews must come from disgruntled book lovers. Like you I had a hard time reading even the books. I have managed to read 3 of them and most of book 5, but only Theon's parts. GRRM's writing is so longwinded, and boring to me. I like the show's pace much more.

I can't say I was sad to see Margaery go, because in a show like GoT, we simply need characters to go and I never saw her as one of the characters in the end game so to speak. I was relieved to see Theon finally becoming more of a human being again, and I very much enjoyed Ramsay's demise. What struck me in the last episode was the music. I love the score and I have listened to season 6 on repeat. There are some lovely songs. Ligt of the Seven is exquisite and Winds of Winter. Oh, but there are so many throughout the 6 seasons and the composer Ramin Djawadi plays a huge part in the series' success.

I am quite excited to see what Jaime is up to in season 7. Surely he can't keep wanting Cersei or? Sadly he's been quite the prick in the last couple of seasons. I miss the Jaime who was changing while with Brienne. Wonder if he's lost forever? I did not enjoy Tyrion this season at all. Except for the last episode where his scene with Dany did move me. But the rest of the Meereen scenes were yawn to me this season. I did enjoy Dany and the Khals even if the ending in that episode was a bit too much. But it's Dany and Game of Thrones and alright.

I LOVED the last scenes with Theon looking at the Greyjoy banner which is flickering the wrong way until it turns and straightens and sunlight shines on Theon. Finally, for crying out loud.

And I loved the sight of all those ships heading towards Westeros while Winds of Winter played. It was spectacular like only Game of Thrones can do it.

Frey's death: yuck. But good riddance.

The Hound coming back: YES!!

Littlefinger: oh, die already. Can't stand that character.

Sansa Stark. Sophie Turner gets a lot of hate for her portrayal. I actually think she did a splendid job both in season 5, and in season 6. I'm curious to see what happens in season 7, the second last season. Will Sansa simply end up Lady of Winterfell and that's it?

Bran: I never thought his scenes were very interesting but they might be next season. I hope he reunites with Sansa.

Sorry, late to the game regarding commenting this post, but I'm thrilled to find others who like to watch the show.

I had to learn to be able to watch all that violence but I'm now fully hardened and have watched quite a few episode more than once by now. :D

Edited Date: 2016-08-05 09:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-08-07 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] singedbylife.livejournal.com
I can't understand people hating on Sophie Turner. I think her Sansa Stark is wonderful. What do people not like about her portrayal?

They claim she only has 2 facial expressions and basically can't act at all. And I just couldn't disagree more as I think she is excellent as Sansa. Her acting - especially in season 5 but in 6 and earlier seaason too - has moved or impressed me several times.

But it's like with the bad reviews. Sometimes it feels as if we're watching different shows as well as different actors. But you know, there are people out there voting for Donald Trump (not to be political but... )
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