Lucifer season 2 episode 10
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shapinglightLast episode till January 16th, sadly.
Spoilers behind cut.
Of course, you all know I'm very easily satisfied when it comes to this show, but I actually really liked this episode. The procedural stuff was fun for a change, and I liked that 'Mum' stayed (by the skin of the skin of her teeth) the right side of the Immortal Indifferent to the Human Condition/Evil line. Tricia Helfer managed to convey that 'Mum's' complete indifference to the rights or wrongs of what she's doing is down to her arrogance and inability to see humans as sentient beings whose existence matters rather than to her being innately evil.
Sort of a bit like Cylon Number Six, I suppose, but less preachy. ;)
Amenadiel gets that too, I suspect, but even if he didn't, I think he wants his old life back too much to argue with 'Mum' except when it comes to extremes, like committing murder. And at least neither Amenadiel, Maze or Lucifer himself will have to protect Chloe from 'Mum' physically, given that it's clear that she's more valuable alive and kicking.
Exactly how she's valuable, though, is less clear (to me anyway). Amenadiel seems to be saying that Chloe only exists at all because of a blessing from 'Dad'. Does this make her sort of God's daughter, and therefore Lucifer's and Amenadiel's sister? Who knows? I think what they're probably getting at is that 'Dad', being all knowing, 'planted' Chloe as a way of bringing Lucifer back into the fold one day. Not sure how 'Mum' thinks she can use this information, have to say. And not sure how it will pan out at all.
Well, I know how it would pan out if Lucifer in the show were anything like Lucifer in the comics. If Lucifer in the comics discovered that a woman he'd fallen in love with (not that Lucifer in the comics would ever do such a thing) was kind of an overture from his father to bring him home, he would reject her instantly and never look at her again, even if it caused him personal pain (which it wouldn't). Lucifer in the show, however, is a different person altogether. Not to mention, the show may be going, ultimately, for redeeming the Devil (Tom Ellis has suggested as much).
I guess I don't mind that (even though 'Dad' in the show annoys me as much as he does Lucifer), as long as it keeps the humour and doesn't get preachy and self-righteous. After all, it wouldn't be the first time by any means that Hollywood has turned the premise of a book on its head - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and Bladerunner, for instance. And it's not like the show can reach inside the comics (which, as previously mentioned, are brilliant) and change them after the fact. Best that it just stays as a whole different animal
Anyway, in so far as there are any parallels between show and comics at all, it seems Chloe is to become a sort of Elaine Belloc figure. Very sort of.
Apart from that, some great moments in the episode, mostly featuring Maze. I loved the fight scene, and her scene with Amenadiel. Love that she's become so protective of Chloe. The character reminds me an awful lot more of Mazikeen from the comics now. She's great.
And of course, they left it on a cliffhanger of sorts. I suspect the kiss between Lucifer and Chloe that looked to be about to happen won't. Lucifer will change his mind, or someone will interrupt. Something will stop it anyway.
And I wonder how much longer they can spin out the whole 'Chloe doesn't believe Lucifer is who he says he is' stuff? Not an awful lot longer, I feel. At the very least, Lucifer is going to have to explain to Chloe why 'Charlotte' is so interested in her. Isn't he?
In other TV news, I finished watching Luke Cage. I liked it more than Daredevil, but less than Jessica Jones. It wasn't as violent as the former (for which I am truly thankful), but unlike the latter the plot was pretty incoherent, and the bible-spouting villain was just...lame. IMO, anyway. Now I'm watching The Crown on Netflix and the last ever series of Ripper Street on Amazon Prime. Thoughts on those when I've finished them. Still nothing of note on terrestrial TV except for the odd documentary.
Spoilers behind cut.
Of course, you all know I'm very easily satisfied when it comes to this show, but I actually really liked this episode. The procedural stuff was fun for a change, and I liked that 'Mum' stayed (by the skin of the skin of her teeth) the right side of the Immortal Indifferent to the Human Condition/Evil line. Tricia Helfer managed to convey that 'Mum's' complete indifference to the rights or wrongs of what she's doing is down to her arrogance and inability to see humans as sentient beings whose existence matters rather than to her being innately evil.
Sort of a bit like Cylon Number Six, I suppose, but less preachy. ;)
Amenadiel gets that too, I suspect, but even if he didn't, I think he wants his old life back too much to argue with 'Mum' except when it comes to extremes, like committing murder. And at least neither Amenadiel, Maze or Lucifer himself will have to protect Chloe from 'Mum' physically, given that it's clear that she's more valuable alive and kicking.
Exactly how she's valuable, though, is less clear (to me anyway). Amenadiel seems to be saying that Chloe only exists at all because of a blessing from 'Dad'. Does this make her sort of God's daughter, and therefore Lucifer's and Amenadiel's sister? Who knows? I think what they're probably getting at is that 'Dad', being all knowing, 'planted' Chloe as a way of bringing Lucifer back into the fold one day. Not sure how 'Mum' thinks she can use this information, have to say. And not sure how it will pan out at all.
Well, I know how it would pan out if Lucifer in the show were anything like Lucifer in the comics. If Lucifer in the comics discovered that a woman he'd fallen in love with (not that Lucifer in the comics would ever do such a thing) was kind of an overture from his father to bring him home, he would reject her instantly and never look at her again, even if it caused him personal pain (which it wouldn't). Lucifer in the show, however, is a different person altogether. Not to mention, the show may be going, ultimately, for redeeming the Devil (Tom Ellis has suggested as much).
I guess I don't mind that (even though 'Dad' in the show annoys me as much as he does Lucifer), as long as it keeps the humour and doesn't get preachy and self-righteous. After all, it wouldn't be the first time by any means that Hollywood has turned the premise of a book on its head - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and Bladerunner, for instance. And it's not like the show can reach inside the comics (which, as previously mentioned, are brilliant) and change them after the fact. Best that it just stays as a whole different animal
Anyway, in so far as there are any parallels between show and comics at all, it seems Chloe is to become a sort of Elaine Belloc figure. Very sort of.
Apart from that, some great moments in the episode, mostly featuring Maze. I loved the fight scene, and her scene with Amenadiel. Love that she's become so protective of Chloe. The character reminds me an awful lot more of Mazikeen from the comics now. She's great.
And of course, they left it on a cliffhanger of sorts. I suspect the kiss between Lucifer and Chloe that looked to be about to happen won't. Lucifer will change his mind, or someone will interrupt. Something will stop it anyway.
And I wonder how much longer they can spin out the whole 'Chloe doesn't believe Lucifer is who he says he is' stuff? Not an awful lot longer, I feel. At the very least, Lucifer is going to have to explain to Chloe why 'Charlotte' is so interested in her. Isn't he?
In other TV news, I finished watching Luke Cage. I liked it more than Daredevil, but less than Jessica Jones. It wasn't as violent as the former (for which I am truly thankful), but unlike the latter the plot was pretty incoherent, and the bible-spouting villain was just...lame. IMO, anyway. Now I'm watching The Crown on Netflix and the last ever series of Ripper Street on Amazon Prime. Thoughts on those when I've finished them. Still nothing of note on terrestrial TV except for the odd documentary.
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Date: 2016-12-01 11:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-12-01 02:01 pm (UTC)Are you by any chance a Buffy fan? If so, are you finding 'Mum' reminds you of Anya at all? She has the same blunt literalness. It never occurred to her seemingly to hide what she was trying to do to Chloe from Amenadiel and she really didn't seem to understand why killing Chloe should upset Lucifer.
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Date: 2016-12-02 05:05 pm (UTC)I know. I had an idea that Mum would see what Chloe was, not exactly who. :) I thought she might have some kind and angelic heritage, or something.
I love Buffy! And yes, you are right, Anya and Mum are quite similar- I didn't think about that before! :D
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Date: 2016-12-02 05:21 pm (UTC)Are you familiar with the Lucifer comics at all? There's a character in them who is the daughter of Lucifer's brother, Michael the archangel. I think Chloe is sorta, kinda the show equivalent of that character, though of course being used completely differently.
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