Lucifer season 2 episode 12
Jan. 24th, 2017 01:09 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
shapinglightWatched this today.
Spoilers behind cut.
Still enjoying the hell out of this show, partly (I guess) because the whole thing is pure escapism from start to finish.
But anyway...
Seems Lucifer's mum really is just evil. I hadn't understood her dastardly plan until this episode. I really thought she was (rather ineptly) just trying to get Lucifer and Chloe together because she thought (for some unexplained reason) that if they were a couple it would be easier for her to get heaven back. Now, I'm inclined to think she's being conflated with Lilith in the comics and just wants revenge on 'Dad', and she doesn't care who, or what she destroys to get it. And I don't think it's just 'Dad' she wants revenge on either.
Because basically revealing the fact that Chloe was 'planted' by 'Dad' just when Lucifer had come to accept that what he felt for Chloe and what Chloe felt for him was real, was the equivalent of sticking a knife in his heart and twisting it. I know Maze realised that, and I'm pretty sure 'Mum' understood it herself. She says she would never hurt Lucifer, but she has, and I can't believe it wasn't deliberate.
She must also know now that her revelation will turn Lucifer against Amenadiel again, (and quite rightly when he finds out Amenadiel was in cahoots with her), so I'm beginning to think she wants revenge on Amenadiel too. If I'm remembering correctly, Amenadiel was the one who carried her to hell, on 'Dad's orders, and of course Lucifer is the one who kept her there.
I dunno. I'd still like to believe she's not that malicious because I enjoy the character's Anya-like qualities so much, but probably Mazikeen's been right about her all along. Oh well.
The procedural stuff was okay again. It's never the most interesting bit for me. However, Dr Carlyle was a good villain (in a narcissistic, psychotic kind of way), and there were again some great scenes scattered throughout the episode - 'Mum' and Dr Linda, Lucifer and the girls at the party, Lucifer and Dan (those two are hilarious together), Lucifer saving Dr Carlyle's victims by making Chloe go away, every scene with Maze in, especially her trying to save Lucifer pain by attempting to drag him away before 'Mum' could drop her bombshell etc, etc.
As for Lucifer and Chloe, I do think that Tom Ellis and Lauren German have chemistry, but I still think they looked a little awkward in the (dream) sex scene, and the more I think about it, the more I actually quite like that. If last week's episode told us anything about Lucifer, it's that it's not sex he craves (he can have that whenever he wants, with whoever he wants), it's intimacy. And sex is only a part of it. Lucifer and Chloe have almost reached that point, but not quite. And of course 'Mum' has now thrown a giant spanner in the works.
If Show!Lucifer was Comics!Lucifer, the revelation that his father 'planted' Chloe in his way would be enough to make him turn his back on her forever more. I doubt Show!Lucifer will do that, but I do foresee him partially falling into 'Mum's' trap by saving Chloe's life (I'm pretty sure he'll do that) and then walking away from her at the end of the next episode.
Possibly without a word of explanation. Though I wish he would explain, because really, unless Chloe can accept the real Lucifer (the way Dr Linda has), that true intimacy is always going to escape them.
I'm also expecting a Lucifer/Amenadiel showdown in episode 13, and hoping very much that Lucifer doesn't turn on Maze too, because it would be very unjust indeed.
Spoilers behind cut.
Still enjoying the hell out of this show, partly (I guess) because the whole thing is pure escapism from start to finish.
But anyway...
Seems Lucifer's mum really is just evil. I hadn't understood her dastardly plan until this episode. I really thought she was (rather ineptly) just trying to get Lucifer and Chloe together because she thought (for some unexplained reason) that if they were a couple it would be easier for her to get heaven back. Now, I'm inclined to think she's being conflated with Lilith in the comics and just wants revenge on 'Dad', and she doesn't care who, or what she destroys to get it. And I don't think it's just 'Dad' she wants revenge on either.
Because basically revealing the fact that Chloe was 'planted' by 'Dad' just when Lucifer had come to accept that what he felt for Chloe and what Chloe felt for him was real, was the equivalent of sticking a knife in his heart and twisting it. I know Maze realised that, and I'm pretty sure 'Mum' understood it herself. She says she would never hurt Lucifer, but she has, and I can't believe it wasn't deliberate.
She must also know now that her revelation will turn Lucifer against Amenadiel again, (and quite rightly when he finds out Amenadiel was in cahoots with her), so I'm beginning to think she wants revenge on Amenadiel too. If I'm remembering correctly, Amenadiel was the one who carried her to hell, on 'Dad's orders, and of course Lucifer is the one who kept her there.
I dunno. I'd still like to believe she's not that malicious because I enjoy the character's Anya-like qualities so much, but probably Mazikeen's been right about her all along. Oh well.
The procedural stuff was okay again. It's never the most interesting bit for me. However, Dr Carlyle was a good villain (in a narcissistic, psychotic kind of way), and there were again some great scenes scattered throughout the episode - 'Mum' and Dr Linda, Lucifer and the girls at the party, Lucifer and Dan (those two are hilarious together), Lucifer saving Dr Carlyle's victims by making Chloe go away, every scene with Maze in, especially her trying to save Lucifer pain by attempting to drag him away before 'Mum' could drop her bombshell etc, etc.
As for Lucifer and Chloe, I do think that Tom Ellis and Lauren German have chemistry, but I still think they looked a little awkward in the (dream) sex scene, and the more I think about it, the more I actually quite like that. If last week's episode told us anything about Lucifer, it's that it's not sex he craves (he can have that whenever he wants, with whoever he wants), it's intimacy. And sex is only a part of it. Lucifer and Chloe have almost reached that point, but not quite. And of course 'Mum' has now thrown a giant spanner in the works.
If Show!Lucifer was Comics!Lucifer, the revelation that his father 'planted' Chloe in his way would be enough to make him turn his back on her forever more. I doubt Show!Lucifer will do that, but I do foresee him partially falling into 'Mum's' trap by saving Chloe's life (I'm pretty sure he'll do that) and then walking away from her at the end of the next episode.
Possibly without a word of explanation. Though I wish he would explain, because really, unless Chloe can accept the real Lucifer (the way Dr Linda has), that true intimacy is always going to escape them.
I'm also expecting a Lucifer/Amenadiel showdown in episode 13, and hoping very much that Lucifer doesn't turn on Maze too, because it would be very unjust indeed.
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Date: 2017-01-24 08:42 pm (UTC)The Dr. Carlyle plot reminded me of the final episode on Sherlock. Exactly where is he getting the money to do all this since his life has been such a disaster? Also, why were his specialty poisons part of the drug shipments if the formulas were all locked in his head and he had access to a lab?
I'm also not entirely sure why this news should have upset Lucifer so much. I'm assuming he's interpreting this as Chloe was made for him, so that ... what? He would understand what it is to be human? To love? To be loved? I'm just unclear about it. Since humans have free will, wouldn't anything Chloe chose to do just as valid regardless of how she came to exist?
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Date: 2017-01-24 09:41 pm (UTC)As for Lucifer being upset, I don't know how it will play out in the show, but in the comics, he is so dead set against accepting anything from his father that he ultimately leaves the universe to get away from him. The show, obviously, won't go that far and probably has a different aim in mind for Lucifer as a character, but the suggestion that his father may have interfered in any way in how/why he met Chloe would still rankle a great deal, I think. We'll see how they decide to play it out.
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Date: 2017-01-24 07:57 pm (UTC)For all the comedy involving the therapy scenes, she's actually a pretty damn good therapist, which is great to see.
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Date: 2017-01-25 07:02 pm (UTC)Before this three parter aired, there were rumours that this Dr Carlisle was going to kill someone, and speculation that it would be her because she might be seen as expendable. I'm glad that turned out to be rubbish.
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Date: 2017-02-03 07:33 pm (UTC)I love how hard she is to read - we know little about her, but what we know certainly looks evil. I don't think any characters on this show are inherently evil, her motivations probably make sense, somehow.
I also find it difficult to measure the characters my human standards. The show sometimes makes the mistake of doing that, too. But they're not human, they're angels - and she's a goddess, so... really hard to tell what her motivations could be. The fact that she thinks humans are puny and unimportant is definitely normal for a goddess, I'd say.
I'm inclined to think she's being conflated with Lilith in the comics
Ah, interesting. I haven't read the comics, so you definitely have a lot more insight there than I do.
The procedural stuff was okay again. It's never the most interesting bit for me.
Yeah, me neither. It felt especially pasted-on in the first season. I think they did better this season with grouping some of the episodes together into bigger case. I liked it better, anyway.
they looked a little awkward in the (dream) sex scene
Ha, yeah, they did. I think Chloe is not quite okay with what her subconscious dreamed up there, and that's why it looked awkward. It felt like it was more than she was comfortable with. I really liked how she was completely thrown by that dream all episode and not her usual self.
Those last three paragraphs are so spot-on, it's amazing. Everything happened exactly like you predicted.
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Date: 2017-02-03 09:17 pm (UTC)This is almost, but not quite, true of the characters in the comics too. I think, for the most part, the show is handling it very well, and in great deal that's down to the fact that 'Mum' is rather clueless. She will almost do something awful, then blurt out that she's done it without the least idea that doing so will shock and appal people - or even that humans' feelings matter at all. In fact, she still doesn't get that, which is a good in-story explanation for why we've seen no more of Charlotte's husband and children. She's stuck with them, but they don't matter to her in the slightest. It doesn't occur to her that they should.
The fact that she thinks humans are puny and unimportant is definitely normal for a goddess, I'd say.
Yes, exactly.
I haven't read the comics, so you definitely have a lot more insight there than I do.
Well, the comic echoes in the show are very faint indeed. I'm always pleased if I think I spot one, but not seeing them doesn't detract from my enjoyment. I love show and comics as (almost) separate entities. Of those involved in the show, the only person I know who has read the comics is Lesley-Ann Brandt, but I'm sure some of the writers (maybe all of them?) must have read them too.
I really liked how she was completely thrown by that dream all episode and not her usual self.
I'm not particularly a 'shipper (got burnt in another fandom, over it now, but wary of commitment ever since, just taking things as they come) but because of the lifestyle Lucifer's been living, it feels to me that him having sex with Chloe is not so much of a confirmation of the 'ship as it might be compared to romantic relationships in other TV shows, but having said that, Chloe would probably feel quite differently. It would be a very big deal to her.