Lucifer season 3 episode 2
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shapinglightWell, the plot thickens.
Spoilers behind cut.
As usual, the procedural stuff was kind of tedious, though it did serve to show (as if we didn't know it already) how self-involved Lucifer remains. Mind you, he is an angel, and he has been alive since just after the dawn of time, so I suppose it's not surprising. And his brother/sister angels - what we've seen of them so far - are self-involved too, in their own particular ways. For instance, in this episode, Amenadiel manages to make Lucifer's serial cutting off of unwanted angel wings all about him. Though you can't really blame him for that either.
Really liked Amenadiel's conversation with Dr Linda. Looking forward to seeing what comes of his revelation that Lucifer is, and always has been, his 'project' (though again, that's been obvious from the start and just needed Dr Linda to bring it into the open).
And not surprising that Lucifer's response to the Sinnerman's stealing of his 'thing' is to double down on it himself and (possibly, I'm guessing here) act as if nothing he's learned since meeting Chloe and Dr Linda means anything at all. It works as well as anything, I suppose, as another roadblock in the way of Lucifer/Chloe.
As for Lieutenant Pierce, though it's hard to believe there's anything behind that irritatingly bland front on any level, it wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be working for the Sinnerman himself. Hence his exhortations to Lucifer to keep it quiet (and he knew which button to push to make that happen). On the other hand, as is more likely, things like that are just meant to add some ambiguity, and Pierce will turn out to be exactly what he seems.
As for the Sinnerman himself, no idea. I can't believe he's just human. If it weren't that the show has ignored the comics world for the most part and will probably continue to do so -to the extent that the scene where Maze told Amenadiel about her tough childhood as one of the Lilim, the children of of Lilith, was cut from the season 2 episode God Johnson, (see the deleted scenes for the season 2 DVD/Blu-ray or YouTube) I'd guess that he'd turn out to be one of them, or maybe one of Lucifer's fallen angel siblings from the rebellion, or one of the demon dukes of hell on the loose, but I don't know how any of those would have the power to give Lucifer his wings back anyway. So I have no idea.
Ella and Dan were both pretty much comic relief in this episode, so not a lot to say about them. I don't expect much in the way of story for Dan until Charlotte re-appears anyway. No sign of Trixie yet. Hopefully, once they get to showing the episodes made since Lesley-Ann Brandt came back to work there'll be some Chloe/Maze/Trixie domestic scenes.
Next week's episode is one of the four standalones left over from season 2. Looking forward to that. In the meantime, it seems you can definitely tell penis jokes at 8pm in the evening on US network TV. Still waiting for a drugs/bisexuality mention.
ETA: Have to say, Chloe's extreme desire-to-pleasedness around Pierce is really not working for me, because I just can't see why anyone would be bothered. Also, I've seen the first episode of The Gifted now (I didn't think much of it, btw) and despite my logicing (totally a word) out why Lucifer is now the lead in for it, I'm puzzled. The Gifted is a kids' show, Lucifer is not. Really, the timeslots should be the other way around.
Spoilers behind cut.
As usual, the procedural stuff was kind of tedious, though it did serve to show (as if we didn't know it already) how self-involved Lucifer remains. Mind you, he is an angel, and he has been alive since just after the dawn of time, so I suppose it's not surprising. And his brother/sister angels - what we've seen of them so far - are self-involved too, in their own particular ways. For instance, in this episode, Amenadiel manages to make Lucifer's serial cutting off of unwanted angel wings all about him. Though you can't really blame him for that either.
Really liked Amenadiel's conversation with Dr Linda. Looking forward to seeing what comes of his revelation that Lucifer is, and always has been, his 'project' (though again, that's been obvious from the start and just needed Dr Linda to bring it into the open).
And not surprising that Lucifer's response to the Sinnerman's stealing of his 'thing' is to double down on it himself and (possibly, I'm guessing here) act as if nothing he's learned since meeting Chloe and Dr Linda means anything at all. It works as well as anything, I suppose, as another roadblock in the way of Lucifer/Chloe.
As for Lieutenant Pierce, though it's hard to believe there's anything behind that irritatingly bland front on any level, it wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be working for the Sinnerman himself. Hence his exhortations to Lucifer to keep it quiet (and he knew which button to push to make that happen). On the other hand, as is more likely, things like that are just meant to add some ambiguity, and Pierce will turn out to be exactly what he seems.
As for the Sinnerman himself, no idea. I can't believe he's just human. If it weren't that the show has ignored the comics world for the most part and will probably continue to do so -to the extent that the scene where Maze told Amenadiel about her tough childhood as one of the Lilim, the children of of Lilith, was cut from the season 2 episode God Johnson, (see the deleted scenes for the season 2 DVD/Blu-ray or YouTube) I'd guess that he'd turn out to be one of them, or maybe one of Lucifer's fallen angel siblings from the rebellion, or one of the demon dukes of hell on the loose, but I don't know how any of those would have the power to give Lucifer his wings back anyway. So I have no idea.
Ella and Dan were both pretty much comic relief in this episode, so not a lot to say about them. I don't expect much in the way of story for Dan until Charlotte re-appears anyway. No sign of Trixie yet. Hopefully, once they get to showing the episodes made since Lesley-Ann Brandt came back to work there'll be some Chloe/Maze/Trixie domestic scenes.
Next week's episode is one of the four standalones left over from season 2. Looking forward to that. In the meantime, it seems you can definitely tell penis jokes at 8pm in the evening on US network TV. Still waiting for a drugs/bisexuality mention.
ETA: Have to say, Chloe's extreme desire-to-pleasedness around Pierce is really not working for me, because I just can't see why anyone would be bothered. Also, I've seen the first episode of The Gifted now (I didn't think much of it, btw) and despite my logicing (totally a word) out why Lucifer is now the lead in for it, I'm puzzled. The Gifted is a kids' show, Lucifer is not. Really, the timeslots should be the other way around.
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Date: 2017-10-10 07:53 pm (UTC)casting stuntnew lieutenant is supposed to be a mastermind or just the reddest red herring that ever herringed. I *really* can't figure out why we're all supposed to be so thrilled with his presence, because the boredom meter goes way up every time he shows up on screen.But I agree--the best stuff so far has been Amenadiel and Linda. Most of the rest of last night's ep was just...painful.
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Date: 2017-10-10 09:24 pm (UTC)Agree that Pierce is boring. However, Tom Welling seems to be weirdly popular from what I can see, so, as long as he doesn't stick around next season (if there is one), I'll grit my teeth and get through his scenes if it means it helps the ratings. ;)
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Date: 2017-10-10 09:04 pm (UTC)Linda is right, "Amen" does NOT work as a nickname for Amenadiel. I miss Maze. It just occurs to me that what's been missing the last couple of eps is the "Bechdel" effect. There are usually more women interacting with each other and creating a counterpoint to Lucifer's shenanigans. I did enjoy the premature unfurling though, even if you could see it coming a mile away. I'm so easy.
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Date: 2017-10-10 09:31 pm (UTC)So true. :(
I don't think I laughed out loud either this week or last, but there was a lot of stuff I found amusing. Not least the scene where Lucifer starts on the micropenis jokes and Chloe tells him to go ahead and get it all out there. And I do like that the show has a darker feel, though the humour always leavens it.
It just occurs to me that what's been missing the last couple of eps is the "Bechdel" effect. There are usually more women interacting with each other and creating a counterpoint to Lucifer's shenanigans.
You're absolutely right. I knew there was something lacking and that's exactly what it is, along with some Chloe/Trixie domesticity, which (much to my surprise) I never find cloying. Hopefully, we'll get some of more female/female interaction in next week's episode.
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Date: 2017-10-17 06:29 pm (UTC)Next week's episode is one of the four standalones left over from season 2.
Ah right, I forgot you'd mentioned that. Is Charlotte going to be around this season largely because she was already in those episodes? Because it caught my eye that Maze and Charlotte are credited in the first two episodes yet they don't appear. I understand why if Brandt is absent for maternity leave but I would have thought Charlotte's role would simply end.
I rather figured out what was going on in the procedural portion almost from the time the assistant appeared. That's a big difference between written mysteries and filmed ones. It costs an author nothing to crowd a story with characters but they only appear on TV for a fairly good reason.
You don't watch Brooklyn 99, is that right? If you do, I think Chloe has always seemed a bit like Amy Santiago, plus with her background, and being a woman, I could see her going the extra mile to try to seem professional and serious. Since Pierce is supposed to be a big deal in the profession, and any new boss might implement any number of unwelcome changes, I could understand her effort to present a certain image. The comedy is supposed to come from her failing to do this in big ways but that's falling flat for me too.
Re: The Gifted, we just watched the first two episodes of that too. Despite the young protagonists I don't know that I'd call it a kids show, unless you meant teen show in which case maybe. I'm withholding judgment for now but I was very glad to see characters in it from X-Men's Days of Future Passed who hadn't previously appeared in the films and (because I'm not a Marvel reader) I'd never known about before. I'm looking forward to finding out more about them.
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Date: 2017-10-18 02:31 pm (UTC)No. It wouldn't surprise me if Charlotte isn't in any of the four standalones. She will be back in season 3 but I agree they're taking their time about it. Maybe in the next episode?
The comedy is supposed to come from her failing to do this in big ways but that's falling flat for me too.
For me too, I'm afraid. I just find Chloe going all flail-y when Pierce is around incredibly unconvincing.
As for The Gifted, I guess I did mean a teen show, yes. As I said, I'm pretty unimpressed so far. Really don't like the family who are the main characters of focus - especially not the dad. He's a bit like horn-rimmed spectacles man from Heroes but not nearly as compelling and sympathetic. I have episode three saved to watch but I'm pretty meh! about it so far.
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Date: 2017-10-18 03:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-10-18 06:55 pm (UTC)I agree. I really wish they didn't seem to feel that the show wouldn't 'take' unless we come to it through the medium of a (seeming) nice, middle class white family.
Though of course it's possible that the writers of the show have done it that way because they think those are the people that most need educating about prejudice, so the family serve a sort of double function.
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Date: 2017-10-18 07:15 pm (UTC)The apparent arc of the show, at least its first season, is about realizing how the system is set against you and what losing one's privilege is like. This would be more relevant to people who had it in the first place. For example, the whole conversation about laws and what they're actually for (rather than how their presented) took place multiple times such as with Amy Acker in the car losing her sense of naivete and also making her realize how fortunate she had been that she could decide that something was not her problem.
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Date: 2017-10-19 10:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-10-19 11:46 pm (UTC)I forgot to mention how much I love Ella. She manages to be a CSI nerd and totally adorable at the same time, and she's just so delightful to watch.
I've also considered that Pierce is Sinnerman or is working for Sinnerman but....they wouldn't be this obvious, would they? Introduce the villian as a jerk so that we all hate him before we even know why? Where's the twist in that?
I now think Pierce IS in fact tracking down Sinnerman, and all the deception/snooping around on Lucifer is trying to feel him out as an asset who will help him achieve this goal, going as far as to use reverse psychology on Lucifer to make sure he doesn't lose interest. Or maybe I'm overthinking it. I have zero knowledge of the Lucifer comics, so I don't know where the showrunners are going with this. :P
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Date: 2017-10-20 06:42 pm (UTC)Knowledge of the comics helps to understand the occasional easter egg, but that's it. Really, show and comics are two entirely separate entities.
I think your view of Pierce will turn out to be the correct one-he really is exactly what he says he is- if only because Tom Welling is so terribly one-note.