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[personal profile] shapinglight
Just watched this, and to compound my gloom about the show possibly being cancelled...

Spoilers behind cut.



...have to admit it was not a favourite by any means.

On Twitter, the showrunners/writers were talking it up as a reprise of the season 2 episode, Girls' Night Out, but in reality it was kind of the anti-girls' night out, since everyone except Ella (and possibly Linda when she wasn't too busy yelling at Maze) had their own agenda and weren't really focused on Chloe and her actual needs.

Mind you, even in the original season 2 episode, Maze had an agenda. But in that, she transcended it. Here, quite the opposite. I'm not really arguing about it from a character POV, though. Maze is a demon, she's really pissed off and is being very demonic. It's going to be a toss up which between Lucifer and Pierce she's most angry at as to who she ends up killing by the end of the season, I suspect. However, female bonding friendly, this episode was not.

The Chloe part of the episode was never going to quite work for me because her decision to accept Pierce's proposal never worked for me on the Doylist level anyway (due to complete lack of chemistry between Tom Welling and...well, anyone except Tom Ellis). Not to mention, her decision to break off the engagement leaves her in the icky situation of still working for the guy whose offer of marriage she just threw back in his face, when I feel that she would have been too sensible ever to get herself in that big a hole in the first place, Pierce's great (according to some) arms, or not.

So that didn't really work for me, as I said, not to mention the whole break up being pretty much a foregone conclusion. What also didn't work for me was the Lucifer/Dan team-up. I do like them together, but this time it felt a little forced simply because the daft conclusion Lucifer had come to this week (one of a string of them, of course) felt all wrong after his Dr Linda-inspired revelation of the week before.

It seems like nothing he learns ever sticks for long.

All the above said, there were plenty of things I did like in the episode, not least Charlotte's machinations. In fact, Tricia Helfer was great all the way through.

Which brings me to my final gripe. As I've said before, co-showrunner Joe Henderson has been saying on Twitter that the season ends with a massive cliffhanger. I'd persuaded myself (no idea why, that's not how these shows work) that it would be Lucifer finally showing Chloe his wings (or his devil face if he gets that back). Now, having seen some possible (not at all verified) spoilers by accident, I'm afraid it's not that at all, and am getting Joss Whedon inspired warning bells going off in my head about anyone who seems too happy.

More gloom.

On the other hand, Pierce's nasty look at Lucifer and Chloe at the end of the episode makes me hopeful that everyone will find out before the end of the season that he was the real Sinnerman all along. Also that we might find out why the fake Sinnerman was so desperate for Lucifer to be the one to kill him. Given how hard he tried to make Lucifer furious with him I think that might be the key. Maybe if Lucifer is angry enough he can kill Cain/Pierce mark or no mark. Or maybe none of it will get referenced ever again.

Trivial(er) stuff: I wish Lucifer would dress down a little more often. I liked his 'pretending to be a real detective' look.

Date: 2018-05-01 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lyr
I also had a thought during this episode, when Pierce is telling Maze that he doesn't know how or why he fell in love with Chloe. Maybe Chloe's power isn't just about making immortals physically vulnerable. Maybe she also makes them love her back. Which, in the context of Lucifer's concern that Chloe has no choice but to love him, would be an interesting twist if we discover that it's really the other way around.

Date: 2018-05-05 03:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lyr
I guess he's sort of hot? I'm not into him, but I can see how someone could be. But in a show full of pretty hot people, I find that an unconvincing reason for Chloe and Ella to lose their shit over him. He'd need something extra to stand out, you know? And we haven't really seen him develop much in terms of personality, which is also why I, as a demisexual, have zero attraction to him.

Date: 2018-05-02 05:52 pm (UTC)
rainkatt: woman (me!) in dress and sunhat, wading in surf at beach (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainkatt
I watched this the other day, and I pretty much agree with your entire post.

Never got the Tom Welling love, but I don't always understand the various fan obsessions. (See David Tennant, who still gives me the creeps.) But you're right; he does seem to have chemistry with Tom Ellis–I tend to actually watch their scenes; he usually puts me to sleep, so I grab the knitting when he's on-screen...

Date: 2018-05-06 06:35 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Colbert and Stewart love (OTH-ReunitedJonStephen-cobrasnaps)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
it was kind of the anti-girls' night out, since everyone except Ella (and possibly Linda when she wasn't too busy yelling at Maze) had their own agenda and weren't really focused on Chloe and her actual needs.

A good point.

It seems like nothing he learns ever sticks for long.

True, although this may be the most realistic thing about him!

Tricia Helfer was great all the way through.

Yes. Plus, did you ever think you'd see Maze in pearls and a sweater set?

Actually what amused me the most about Dan and Lucifer's team up is how Dan sees Lucifer.
Edited (Got posted too soon) Date: 2018-05-06 06:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-05-07 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
Yes, not my favourite episode either, but it is hard to pin down exactly why. I think maybe it just felt like it was trying too hard - all the ingredients individually could have been fun and yet somehow the totality was off.

Also the number of ex-Suits cast members is getting silly (4 now).

Date: 2018-05-09 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
I think there is a real shortage of good TV writers so almost every show has to have some filler eps written by the B team.

Date: 2018-05-07 07:54 pm (UTC)
tinny: Lucifer with a red horned shadow "What's not to like?" (lucifer_whats not to like)
From: [personal profile] tinny
Agreed on the shallow points: Lucifer looks awesome in jeans and leather.

I hadn't looked at the parallels to Girls' Night Out, and to be honest, they wouldn't have occurred to me. The episode was so different.

Dan rarely works for me, neither does Pierce, Ella only rarely. This is not a good season for me.

About the cliffhanger: that is not good news indeed. I always think of John Rogers's conviction that cliffhangers are disrespectful to fans. Always wrap up your seasons, that's what you owe your viewers. I agree with him. I have watched a lot of shows with happy, upbeat season finales, and as many with terrible cliffhangers. The former were always the ones I was looking forward to more. Happiness just carries better than suspense.

(Unless canon is so bad you spend all your time writing fixits, then it doesn't really matter one way or the other. Timeless is in such a state right now, and I really hope Lucifer doesn't join it.)

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