Game of Thrones Season 8 Ep 2
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shapinglightQuick review post.
Spoilers behind cut.
Another sort-of introductory episode, probably the last one which isn't going to be entirely taken up with big battles and in which actual conversations are possible.
And some very important conversations in this one- Dany/Jorah, for instance, when Jorah defends Tyrion to her, and the Dany/Sansa one which follows. Not to mention the whole scene where Sansa-overriding Dany because of her faith in Brienne - decides to spare Jaime Lannister and let him fight for them, and the Jaime knights Brienne scene. Also some lovely little vignettes, like Jorah/Lyanna Mormont, and Sam, Jon and (I had to look his name up, which is bad) Eddison, the three surviving members of the Nightswatch reuniting on the wall of Winterfell.
Must admit, though, I liked some people's way of spending the last night before possibly dying a little better than others. In particular, I didn't like the Arya/Gendry sex scene - not because it was a sex scene between these two characters, but because Maisie Williams -despite now being twenty-two years old (or twenty-one when this was filmed, I suppose) still looks about twelve. And okay, I know the full nude moment was a body double (you could tell when they were swapped), but even so I found it ickworthy. :(
And, of course, there was that all-important revelation between Jon and Dany at the end, which was interrupted by the arrival of the Night King's army. It was noticeable that Dany seized instantly on the fact that Jon has a claim to the Iron Throne, but there really wasn't time to judge how well or ill she handled it. I suppose we'll see in the next episode - whether or not she tries to get him killed in the coming battle.
As for that, I suspect a lot of characters aren't going to survive it, and that includes quite a few who've been around right from the beginning. I don't want Grey Worm to die but have a horrible feeling he will. Possibly Jorah too. And maybe Theon. Couldn't guess about others, but plenty of them are expendable plot-wise, even if lots of viewers like them and don't want them to die.
As far as eventual outcomes go, I'm still none the wiser, but - if Tyrion and Jorah are at all right about Dany - then the abortive conversation between Dany and Sansa does suggest a hint of a way forward. Dany and Jon could divide Westeros between them, Dany getting the southern half and Jon the north, since the northerners all want independence.
It sounds too reasonable, though, and how do you define 'the north' anyway?. Far more likely to all end in tears.
Trivial stuff:
Erm...nothing comes to mind immediately.
Spoilers behind cut.
Another sort-of introductory episode, probably the last one which isn't going to be entirely taken up with big battles and in which actual conversations are possible.
And some very important conversations in this one- Dany/Jorah, for instance, when Jorah defends Tyrion to her, and the Dany/Sansa one which follows. Not to mention the whole scene where Sansa-overriding Dany because of her faith in Brienne - decides to spare Jaime Lannister and let him fight for them, and the Jaime knights Brienne scene. Also some lovely little vignettes, like Jorah/Lyanna Mormont, and Sam, Jon and (I had to look his name up, which is bad) Eddison, the three surviving members of the Nightswatch reuniting on the wall of Winterfell.
Must admit, though, I liked some people's way of spending the last night before possibly dying a little better than others. In particular, I didn't like the Arya/Gendry sex scene - not because it was a sex scene between these two characters, but because Maisie Williams -despite now being twenty-two years old (or twenty-one when this was filmed, I suppose) still looks about twelve. And okay, I know the full nude moment was a body double (you could tell when they were swapped), but even so I found it ickworthy. :(
And, of course, there was that all-important revelation between Jon and Dany at the end, which was interrupted by the arrival of the Night King's army. It was noticeable that Dany seized instantly on the fact that Jon has a claim to the Iron Throne, but there really wasn't time to judge how well or ill she handled it. I suppose we'll see in the next episode - whether or not she tries to get him killed in the coming battle.
As for that, I suspect a lot of characters aren't going to survive it, and that includes quite a few who've been around right from the beginning. I don't want Grey Worm to die but have a horrible feeling he will. Possibly Jorah too. And maybe Theon. Couldn't guess about others, but plenty of them are expendable plot-wise, even if lots of viewers like them and don't want them to die.
As far as eventual outcomes go, I'm still none the wiser, but - if Tyrion and Jorah are at all right about Dany - then the abortive conversation between Dany and Sansa does suggest a hint of a way forward. Dany and Jon could divide Westeros between them, Dany getting the southern half and Jon the north, since the northerners all want independence.
It sounds too reasonable, though, and how do you define 'the north' anyway?. Far more likely to all end in tears.
Trivial stuff:
Erm...nothing comes to mind immediately.
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Date: 2019-04-24 11:38 am (UTC)Definitely curtains for most of them then. Anyone who is merely a gatekeeper character or doesn't have unique skills that the leads don't possess must be liable for the chop very quickly.
Would it be too rational to suggest asking the actual people? You might end up with a few weird enclaves and exclaves, like happened when they partitioned India, but borders should not be drawn for the convenience of cartographers and bureaucrats.
I still think Danny and Jon getting wed is the most likely outcome. Preparing the way for the sequels: Game of Constant Arguments and then Game of Divorce
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Date: 2019-04-27 11:39 am (UTC)Of course it would. ;) This is GoT we're talking about.
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Date: 2019-04-24 01:32 pm (UTC)That's what I'm wondering too. I don't think she's likely to outright have him killed (at least not yet), but it might make her think twice about coming to his aid in a decisive moment...?
Dany and Jon could divide Westeros between them
They could, but so far Dany has seemed pretty adamant that her right to the throne means a right to seven kingdoms.
Of course, her big hangup last season was that the Starks had sworn allegiance to her father. And Jon isn't a Stark. So who knows. Of course, the easiest way would be for them to simply get married and co-rule, but that would make sense.
I don't want Grey Worm to die but have a horrible feeling he will. Possibly Jorah too. And maybe Theon.
The more I think about it, I think all three of those are toast. Theon will sacrifice himself for Bran, Jorah for Dany (or possibly his cousin), and Grey Worm will just get killed in the heat of battle. :( I don't like it, but I don't see what role either of them plays in the end game, and they're going to have to off some fan favourites next episode.
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Date: 2019-04-27 11:44 am (UTC)Yes, and I can't see her budging on that at all. On the other hand, it would bug me quite a bit if she started acting more unreasonable than she has throughout the entire show just for plot reasons. Not that she hasn't been stubborn and narrow-minded at times, of course. She definitely has. But she's also been open to good advice in the past.
The more I think about it, I think all three of those are toast.
I'm afraid so, which makes me very upset for poor Missandei, who I think may survive a little longer. Of the three of them, I think Jorah is the most likely to live, if only because Iain Glen's name is always last on the cast list in the credits.
With Iain Glen. I've often wondered why. There've been a lot of Brit thesps as well known as him in the cast over the years.
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Date: 2019-04-24 10:34 pm (UTC)Had the same reaction. It didn't work for me. And the actors didn't pull it off. They looked like -- eh, do we have too? Really? And they both clearly have a nudity clause in their contracts.
I agree with beergoodfoamy -- Theon, Jorah, and Greyworm are most likely toast.
I don't think Dany will try to have Jon killed yet. Dany may be ruthless, but she's also pragmatic. And she loves him.
Plus, there's plenty of time for that later. Right now she needs Jon to kill the WW and win the throne. Dany's a survivor.
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Date: 2019-04-27 11:46 am (UTC)I'm still hoping the two of them can come to some pragmatic arrangement, but it just all seems too reasonable for GoT.
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Date: 2019-04-26 03:15 am (UTC)I don't think Dany took it well. Her eyes have been on that prize since day 1. I'm kinda worried this will make her snap. She is going to now see Jon as a threat. I mean, part of me was like "yay they can both rule together!" but now that they are related, I guess that wouldn't fly. But, yeah, the more I watch, the more I feel like Dany is going to go dark side by the end.
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Date: 2019-04-27 11:50 am (UTC)This is true. However, several people over on LJ said they liked the scene, because it was Arya's choice to do it and it was all fully consensual - which is indeed fairly rare in GoT.
I've a horrid feeling you're right about Dany. They seem to be tipping her that way, which I don't feel is entirely organic to the character. Yes, she can be ruthless and cruel, and she can make terrible mistakes (killing Tarly Jnr springs to mind), but she can also be pragmatic and open to advice, and I would rather she went that way.
But the being related thing needn't stop them getting married and ruling jointly. Lots of the Targaryan kings seem to have married their sisters (so I understand, I've only read one of the books).
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Date: 2019-04-28 12:38 am (UTC)HOPEFULLY that whole thing with Jorah telling her to listen to Tyrion will be her saving grace. Maybe he will talk her down. But I'm wondering if her and Jon will stay a thing or if he is going to sacrifice himself or something like that...I don't think Dany can die. And Cersei needs to be Arya's kill. I guess that is why I'm still watching - I have no idea how it will all end.
Though I feel like everyone hiding in the crypts is doomed because everyone else kept insisting that the crypts would be safe.
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Date: 2019-05-01 09:11 am (UTC)Not sure if you've seen the latest episode yet, but yes, it didn't look like a good plan.
And Cersei needs to be Arya's kill. I guess that is why I'm still watching - I have no idea how it will all end.
After the latest episode, I'm not so sure about this any more.
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Date: 2019-05-04 01:18 am (UTC)no subject
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