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The Guardian loved the new Star Trek movie and gave it five stars. This is almost unprecedented in my experience for something sci-fi/fantasy related, unless it was a Tarkovsky film. I was feeling fairly meh! about this movie, not being a big 'Trek fan, but now I really want to see it (yes, I know - sheep, fence-sitter, whatever).

This post is not really about that, though. I wanted to say a few things about the second series of Mad Men, which ended in the UK on Tuesday. Boy, that was wonderful stuff!



I'd been puzzling earlier in the season as to why this program was being talked about as 'girls' telly'. I hadn't thought the first series was that at all, given that was all about the men, and they behaved very badly indeed, especially towards the women in their lives. However, I guess I can see now what people were getting at. However, I think it's too facile a description. Surely, it's just 'good' telly, isn't it, like The Wire, and as such should appeal to anyone who cares about the quality of what they watch.

That aside, this second series focused a great deal on the women, especially Betty Draper, Joan and Peggy, while never losing sight of Don Draper as the main character of focus. Draper continues to be one of the most fascinating and complex characters I've ever seen on a TV show. Just as you think you know what he's like, he changes again. The scene where he returned to Sterling Cooper and was greeted almost as a saviour not only by Peggy and Joan but also by Peter Campbell, who is desperate for Draper's respect and in this episode finally got it, was a very, very telling scene. This is not to say Draper is a 'nice' man - far from it. But I think he genuinely meant his apology to Betty and he really does have respect for women that the other male characters just don't share - though it's fun to see the way Peggy has almost become 'one of the boys' at the copy writers' meetings.

The other characters have also been fleshed out enormously this season - from Betty, who came more into her own and gained some much needed confidence, at the same time as showing a distinctly unpleasant side to her personality, to Peggy, who continued her single-minded pursuit of her dream apparently indifferent to the wreckage in her wake (poor Peter - and I never thought I'd feel sorry for him - being her latest victim), to Joan whose vulnerabilities were laid bare - I feel so sorry for her, even though on the surface she's hard as nails. You even ended up feeling something for poor old Duck Philips, who just so spectacularly shot himself in the foot.

I could go on and on, but maybe I'd better stop before I run out of superlatives. This show has done everything right IMO, and I can't wait to see the next series and see how the changing world - because it is definitely changing fast, though we still only get subtle hints of it - affects the characters. Someone - was it [livejournal.com profile] shipperx? - told me that each series will be set two years after the previous one. So that means series three will be set in 1964 - Beatlemania! Mary Quant! etc etc. Can't wait.



There will be a third series, won't there? I've looked online but can't find any information. :crosses fingers:

Date: 2009-05-08 07:33 am (UTC)
quinara: Sheep on a hillside with a smiley face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quinara
Was this the end of the series? Huh - that makes sense, but I definitely want moar...

My favourite part of this episode was Betty’s way of saying she wanted an abortion. "It’s not a good time" - no dithering, no question of whether or not she should be able to know what effect another child would have on her life, just "it’s not a good time".

I can’t say I really felt sorry for Pete - I find him really immature, not at all wreckage in Peggy’s wake (to me she’s dealt with everything fine). As a side-note, I really want that grey dress she had with a shirt underneath it with the sailor-flap at the back...

Poor Joan. :(

Date: 2009-05-08 07:43 pm (UTC)
quinara: Sheep on a hillside with a smiley face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quinara
Did you get around to watching season 1 yet?

Yes! I did! Everything suddenly started making a lot more sense. It's all sort of blurred together now, but definitely enjoyable.

See, I was just glad to see Pete realise that he could never treat Peggy the way he treats Trudi - that she isn't just the fantasy of a competent woman (who would eventually become a proper little wife for him), but is actually in control of her life. But then I have quite a disconnect when it comes to issues of babies...

Stirling, on the other hand, I find myself feeling an odd sort of affection for because I like Cooper. I'm not sure how that works, considering he's an arse.

Brilliant stuff.

It really is. I'm not sure what I'm going to do, what with Dollhouse ending as well this week.

Date: 2009-05-09 09:32 am (UTC)
quinara: Sheep on a hillside with a smiley face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quinara
I think it's still up in the air - there might be some new news today, but who knows?

I love the way that all the British people wear bow ties - is that true of the Sixties? They're not going to dinner after all, so it makes little sense.

Fair enough.

Date: 2009-05-09 05:04 pm (UTC)
quinara: Sheep on a hillside with a smiley face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quinara
Maybe... (On both counts. ;) )

Date: 2009-05-08 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirefever.livejournal.com
That scene with Joan being date-raped was far more shocking to me than the fuss made about Seeing Red - especially as she seemed to just accept it afterwards. Amazing telly - it's even got my mum hooked and she rarely watches the same things I do.

I also don't feel sorry for Pete, he was a nasty piece of work in his season 1 interactions with Peggy; he deserves everything he gets.

Date: 2009-05-08 10:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com
Mad men is brilliant. Star Trek...did the review say, why they gave 5 stars? I thought it was ok, but by no means groundbreaking.

Date: 2009-05-08 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hello-spikey.livejournal.com
Star Trek ROXXXXXORED!

*fangirls*

There were one or two things I didn't care for, but the over-all quality was refreshing and felt like, well, like someone finally made Star Trek what it was supposed to be....

That, and this Dr. McCoy can come examine me any time he wants! :P

.. okay not what you were posting about, but I haven't SEEN Mad Men.

Date: 2009-05-08 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cafedemonde.livejournal.com
Since I saw the preview I've been so excited about the Star Trek movie. I plan to see it tonight, gonna go buy tickets this afternoon.

This month is an amazing month for movie releases:
May 1 - Wolverine
May 8 - Star Trek
May 15 - Angels and Demons (not my fic unfortunately :-D)
May 22 - Terminator OMG!

I am a full on, almost crazed, Terminator Fan!

So this month I will be busy with the movies.

Date: 2009-05-08 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cafedemonde.livejournal.com
I said month and movie way too many times.

*iz annoyed by that*

Date: 2009-05-08 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
Er...

It wasn't terrible. But, personally, I'm happy enough to forget it ever existed and was retconned away by "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (albeit, I think the new Terminator retcons TSCC so...

Well, anyway, the trailer for the new one looks awesome!

Date: 2009-05-08 07:46 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Default)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
Surely, it's just 'good' telly, isn't it, like The Wire, and as such should appeal to anyone who cares about the quality of what they watch.

That's because "good telly" is telly that boys watch. Mad Men has a shortage of explosions, fist fights, and general violence. "Girls telly" has to do with people's lives and relationships.

I'm feeling rather "meh" about the Trek movie myself. It sounds like it's basically another big budget thrill ride. While I don't feel original Trek was short of big confrontations or action scenes, to make it devoid of any kind of greater meaning makes it not-Trek to me.

Date: 2009-05-08 09:44 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Default)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
I just asked S what he thought, but he's not much help. He doesn't really like watching TV.

And I think that's true of a lot of men, hence the problem for TV programmers. TV inevitably requires a lot of talking because you can't run more attention-getting stuff for a full half-hour or hour, and men aren't much for talk.

Mike wouldn't be much help either. He watches a lot more TV than I do, but none of those shows are dramas. Those he watches because I watch them, which at the moment are Castle, SPN, and Chuck. Of those, only Castle is deliberately targeted at women. He liked BSG and SGA, but he wasn't as taken with the first as I was. He loved Buffy and Angel, just like me, and would have watched Dollhouse even if I didn't. He stopped watching Mad Men at the beginning of S2. He said he just wasn't interested in it.

Date: 2009-05-09 02:15 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Default)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
though I doubt he'd be able to tell you what happened

I have to wonder what it is they see when they're looking at things because Mike tends to have a poor memory of conversations and is far less likely than I am to be able to recount an episode. He can be quite insightful about some things. I almost wonder if the point to him isn't to guess in advance what's going to happen than actually pay attention to what is happening.

He does use TV as more of a background thing but only with sports. When he's watching his shows (cartoons mostly) he does sit and pay attention to them.

Date: 2009-05-08 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure that I read that Season 3 "Mad Men" went into production a couple of weeks ago, so, yes, there is a Season 3.

And a decided majority of the reviews of the new Star Trek seem to be positive. I've never been a "Trekkie" but when I stop to think about it, I think I have seen most of the canon material (not the last two -- I hear dreadful -- movies, and not "Enterprise" or most of "Voyager" but I've seen pretty much all of the original and even TNG) I find myself rather hopeful for the reboot. Reviews have made it sound like a fun bit of sci-fi to start the summer.

Date: 2009-05-09 08:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] libco.livejournal.com
The new Star Trek movie is awesome! I have seen all the series and most of the movies but don't go to cons, read fic, or anything like that so I a almost trekkie but not quite. Spock and Bones and Scotty are awesome and everyone else is wonderful.

Date: 2009-05-12 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-underhill.livejournal.com
Oh, please do see the Star Trek movie! We saw it this Sunday and it was such a joyful and fun experience! I forgot when the last time a movie made me so happy and warm and fuzzy - I'm still happy today.
They managed to make the new actors as interesting and engaging as the old ones - they pulled it off somehow. And Kirk/Spock tension could be cut with a knife. :) And McCoy is perfect - even though not as prominent as in the show. Overall - great love letter to the old show, and great reboot. My kids loved it and now they want to see the original series. And I even went and rented some DVDs today.
Vow. Unexpected but pleasant revival of those fannish flames. :)

Date: 2009-05-12 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com
Same here. My sister, who was never interested in the original show, loved the new Star Trek movie and can't wait for a sequel. And my eight-year-old nephew loved it so much that when we got home he had me find the original episodes on a website and pick some out for him to watch. I started him on "The Trouble With Tribbles" and now he's hooked but good. ;D

In total agreement with your comments on the movie, mrs_underhill; it's an absolute gem of a film. Simon Pegg was hilariously perfect as Scotty...hell, they were ALL great. Even the actor who played Chekov, while looking nothing like him (I thought he looked like Season 1's navigator Kevin Reilly), had Chekov's voice and charming personality down pat. And that surprise romance...wow. Tender and touching and, thanks to the actors, absolutely believable.

One of the best things about this Star Trek is that the plot, via time-travel and alternate realities, meshes the events of the original TV shows and movies with this new movie, so that nothing from the previous stories is negated and the characters are now cleared for all-new developments and adventures in their lives. It's a win-win situation...and like you, I'm still happy and warm-fuzzy from it.

Date: 2009-05-12 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-underhill.livejournal.com
I hope to see it soon, though I know the whole plot.
Eh, plot what plot? :) It's just a setting for the characters to play off each other. And that was the best part in the movie.

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