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Link here to an article in today's Guardian about the US healthcare debate, and what kind of care those 46 million Americans without health insurance can get under the current system.

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[hello-spikey.livejournal.com]

It's some kind of atrocious. I'm tired of the right-wing crazies. And they are crazies!!

There was a public forum here in Cleveland recently with our local representative, Marcia Fudge. 99% of the people there were pro-reform. 10 crazies showed up and screamed and shouted and booed loudly over the otherwise polite discourse. The claims are always the same: socialized medicine will mean entering a Stalinist Dystopia. Those poor, poor Canadians! Don't we have the best health care in the world? Don't you dare hurt our best health care in the world!

When I was uninsured, I had the health care of nothing - because the hospitals won't even run a test on you if you can't prove you can pay. I might as well have lived in a third world country. Walking into the emergency room cost $300 and all you get is, "Well, you're sick. See if it goes away." After I got a good job (amazingly, since I was mostly bed-ridden!) and got insurance, entering the same emergency room with the same symptoms got me an immediate x-ray and follow-up appointment, and then I was asked, "You have insurance, why did you go to the emergency room?" ha ha ha. I grew up uninsured. The emergency room was all the doctor we knew - and you only go if you think you might die if you don't.

oops... there's my rant. I could go on. I won't. But here's a video that I think sums up the absolute craziness of this debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE&feature=player_embedded

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I watched it. I can hardly believe my eyes. I think the guy was very restrained for not hitting the silly cow. She damn well deserved it.

:seethes:

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You'd think at some point I'd stop being astonished at the utter idiocy of these people, and yet...

Did you see the video where that lady explains why she's against health care reform? (prior to the "Heil Hitler" incident) It's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard.

[helenkacan.livejournal.com]

::waves hi from Canada, another bastion of sane and sensible healthcare::

OMG. I could not believe teh stoopid. She opposes healthcare reform, even though her husband doesn't have any and works a number of jobs (too bad she can't count that high, because she's not sure how many).

What I find fascinating (and disgusting) is that she's been so brainwashed by her ideology that there's no way she can condemn her own party for failing the American people; so the only thing she can do is direct the vitriol outwards against the obvious enemy, the political opposition.

When she speaks, she reminds me of Palin-lite which is very bad, as Sarah is more than a few feathers short of filling a pillowcase.

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Well, you know, she believes in Biblical values, and the Bible doesn't say anything about health care, therefore we don't deserve it.

I'm just glad that all this is bringing much-deserved attention to Hitler. See, everybody thought he was such a bad guy, but they only want to talk about how he killed people and invaded countries! No one ever mentions his other plan, you know, the one for universal health care coverage...

[cozzybob.livejournal.com]

Heh! For some reason, when I think of Obama compared to Hilter, I can't help but snerk. What an oxymoron.

LOL on the bible values. Some people may actually believe that.

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I snerk, but then I realize that these people are serious, and I have to wonder how fucked up things have gotten in this country that people genuinely believe what Obama is doing is equivalent to the Nazis. My mind, it boggles.

I'm thinking that perhaps three things are necessary:
1. Better media campaign that explains what's ACTUALLY IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL.
2. Overhaul of the American education system, particularly with respect to World War II.
3. Banishment of the entire Fox News team to outer Mongolia.

[cozzybob.livejournal.com]

Agreed!! Most times, I'm tied between frothing-at-the-mouth fury and laughing at the utter idiocy of humanity. This country really does have an education crisis too, though. Last I checked, we're still pretty low on the scale. I bet it was that no child left behind bullshit. Wah!

The entire Fox news network doesn't deserve outer Mongolia. I think they should be banned to the harsh winters of Antarctica. Of course, then they'd go around and kill all the penguins no doubt. We'll have to think about this...

I'm surprised to hear VERY LITTLE about what's actually in the bill, which... isn't actually all that surprising. Yet another reason the media is pointless drivel. Wah!

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I think part of it is that health care is absurdly complicated, and there's only about twelve people who actually understand all of it. But it's not even so much explaining what's in the bill that's the problem, it's that certain people have no problem just spouting off complete nonsense - like death panels - that isn't in the bill and passing it off like that's the centerpiece of Obama's plan.

I have to hand to the right-wing, they sure are good at whipping people into a lather over utter bullshit.

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Did you see the video where that lady explains why she's against health care reform?

I didn't look at it. I'd had enough of her after watching that first one, but I'm sure I'd agree with you that she's an idiot.

[cozzybob.livejournal.com]

The emergency room was all the doctor we knew - and you only go if you think you might die if you don't.

Exactly. *hugs us*