Game of Thrones Season 4 Ep 4 (the clueless about the books POV)

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Just watched this, and...

Spoilers behind cut.



...I had already been spoilered for who killed Joffrey, but am pleased to say that I had sort of guessed anyway. I'd even applaud her, if it weren't for the fact that she seems happy for Tyrion to take the rap.

Other repercussions of the previous episode - well, there aren't any. Cersei obviously doesn't feel any more pissed off with Jaime than she did before, and Jaime obviously doesn't feel he's done anything extra for Cersei to be pissed off about. I suspected that would be the case when I read the director's view of what happened in that Cersei/Jaime scene from the previous episode.

We're supposed to just forget about it. And I have to admit, I pretty much have. Back to hating Cersei and back to 'shipping Jaime/Brienne (not, I think, that anything will come of that). I'm glad that Brienne took Podric with her, and glad that Bronn has shown some loyalty to Tyrion and not just offered his services to Tywin Lannister for a higher price, or whatever.

Elsewhere, Sansa may be naive but she clearly sees right through Littlefinger (does anyone not?). Littlefinger is really, really creepy. He could hardly keep his hands off her. The Margaery/Tommen scene was also slightly creepy, but needs must, I suppose. Better that Tommen cares for Margaery than just remaining completely under his mother's evil influence.

Other stuff: well, Dany is still freeing the slaves, and proving herself quite terrifying in the process, and Jon and Bran are having a lot of problems with the Night Watch, though Jon is unaware just how bad his troubles are (did Lord Bolton send that henchman of his to kill him? I've forgotten), and I suppose the people causing Bran trouble are only marginally Night Watch anyway.

Finally, it seems the White Walkers don't actually eat babies after all. Not quite sure what they do do to them, but whatever it is, it's weird. If they're turning all the babies into White Walkers (which is what it looked like) then does this mean all the White Walkers are Craster's sons? Surely not.

:Is confused:

Hmm. I don't seem to have a lot to say about this episode. Maybe I'm just tired.

Comments

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I'm pretty thrown that you don't think Tywin Lannister is a monster but think Dany is.

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Unless I'm forgetting something I don't think he's ever done anything monsterish. He's a hard nosed politician, so I get why you don't like him, but that is precisely why I do like him. He reminds me of Francis Urquart in House of Cards. I watched the scene between him and Tommon on YouTube and I think he is brilliant. I really liked the stuff with Aryia back in S2 as well. Since Tyrian became a bit naff in S3 I think Tywin is now my favourite character.

I don't dislike Dany because she's a monster though, I dislike her because she is a Mary Sue. Everything is falling in her lap not for rational reasons but because GRM wants it that way. But she is a monster as well.

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Tywin Lannister has been the instigator of plenty of monstrous things (including, as referenced in the previous episode, the murder of the Targaryen royal family) so that, IMO, makes him as much a monster as Dany. It's not like she's done all these horrible things herself, she's just ordered others to do them. Tywin is no different.

I also don't think Dany is a Mary Sue, because it's plain to me that noble (or apparently so) as her freeing of the slaves is) her actions are becoming more and more troubling generally. She's not being shown as a 'good' person.

Why do you think Tyrion is 'naff'?

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Oh okay, he's a monster too. We clearly aren't supposed to like him so I should hardly be surprised he has monsterish things to his name. I still do like him though.

I find Dany Mary-Sueish because everything falls at her feet. being a bad person is not typical Mary Sue I admit, but she still tweaks me as too much of a favourite with the writers and therefore stuff happens for her that never does for anyone else. And I worry that when she does horrible things we are supposed to approve because the people she does them to are 'bad' - and I always hate that.

Why do you think Tyrion is 'naff'?
Because he started being feeble and just drinking and drifting around being useless instead of trying to do anything. The thing that finally broke it for me was when he got drunk on his wedding day instead of supporting Sansa properly. If he actually tried to be decent maybe his father would like him - but he reacts like a spoilt teenager. 'Oh my daddy doesn't love me so I'm going to be an even bigger disappointment to him cos that'll Show Him'. I despise that sort of thing.

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I suppose he could have tried harder, but I give him some slack due to what happened after the Battle of Blackwater. Plus, he's been quite supportive of Sansa since the wedding.

I don't think Tywin would like him whatever he did, though.

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But Tywin does keep pushing him into responsible positions, like making him Hand and then making him Master of Coin. I think Tywin is desperate for Tyrion to sort himself out and become a moral and responsible person and then he will be willing to believe Tyrion is his own son. Every time Tyrion sleeps with whores it is implying that he is fundamentally an immoral being. And Tywin clearly thinks that shows he was indeed a bastard and hence that his wife betrayed him - so no wonder he gets upset and lashes out at Tyrion every time. If Tyrion ever starts behaving like a grownup I reckon he would have a very good relationship with his father. They have similar minds.

I'm glad to hear he is being nicer to Sansa. I just hope she has the courage to stand up to Baylish and not marry that loathesome twit Robin. But I presume I will be dissapointed and she will remain the wettest of wet blankets as she always has been.