Lucifer season 2 episode 11

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So - Lucifer's back (if only for three episodes). I watched it before I even got dressed this morning (in my defence it was still only 7am) because I wanted to see it so much.

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I wasn't disappointed. I loved the episode to pieces. It had pretty much everything I could want in a Lucifer episode, including a passing reference to the fact that Lucifer himself is bisexual (or probably more like omnisexual). There were terrific Lucifer/Chloe, Lucifer/Dan, Lucifer/'Mum', Lucifer/Amenadiel scenes, and Maze was on pretty good form too (loved her scene with Dr Linda). I even liked the procedural part of the episode (which I'm usually not too keen on), except for being a bit bewildered by who it was that the mysterious man in the hat killed at the end there. To me, it looked like the same bloke who the police arrested for drugs dealing, but I'm pretty sure it was meant to be the obnoxious bloke with the mansion in Malibu and that the arrested bloke was the one Lucifer and Chloe spoke to first when they got to said mansion.

Or was it the other way around?

Anyway, I'm glad that Lucifer got furious with whichever one of them it was that was arrested over what he said about the dead flight attendant. She'd seemed like pretty much a throwaway character up to that point.

I'm a little sad that the Lucifer/Amenadiel scene was possibly a fake-out. I'd like to think Amenadiel meant what he said, but he could well have just been furthering 'Mum's agenda (whatever that actually turns out to be). I'm certainly not sad about how Anya-like 'Mum's' being written. I'm pretty certain she'll turn out to be the very opposite of benign, but I'm really enjoying her weird inability to understand when less is more. ;)

Such fun.

Anyway, the Deckerstar 'shippers on Tumblr should be happy (I guess, I haven't checked), though I'm sure a spanner will be thrown into the works by the time the show goes on hiatus again.

ETA: I've now re-watched the episode and am clearer about which beard-y villain is which. Also, I've realised that even if what Amenadiel said to Lucifer was part of 'Mum''s nefarious plan, it was still the truth, because 'Mum' said that's what would work with Lucifer. Nice. I like the idea of Lucifer and Amenadiel getting on better (though of course that could all change when Lucifer realises what 'Mum' is really up to).

Comments

[yourlibrarian]

Finally got around to seeing this. Mike has class two nights a week and has been up to his eyeballs in planning on the other nights he's home, which means we've been watching very little together and he likes this show. So I have to wait on him.

I thought it was a particularly good episode as well. I was glad that they acknowledged his sexuality after nor reference to it for ages. I agree though that the mystery itself was completely unresolved and I was very confused by the end -- the guy they arrested apparently killed both the flight attendants, because he thought they had packets of money? The guy killed in the airplane hangar had opened the packet and become infected with its contents, so why were the flight attendants killed if they didn't have the packet? Presumably the guy in the hat was the honcho running the ring, was he the tech millionaire?

I assume we'll learn more later. One thing I had an issue with was the string of lovers all declaring the night they spent with Lucifer was the best of their life and they had no emotional connection whatsoever. I thought that was absurd and an awfully reductive and mechanical way to assume sex operates. If you don't like your partner in some way or feel comfortable, you're not going to have great sex, and if you had a good time that's an emotional experience. You may not want to have a relationship but that's not the same as suggesting there's nothing there. The way they all spoke of him was not the way you speak of someone you're indifferent to. Boring and disappointing sex, there's something that will prompt a lack of emotional connection.

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I agree. I guess either they were suggesting that everyone Lucifer has slept with up to this point is incredibly shallow, or were so keen to make their point about Lucifer's relationship with Chloe being qualitatively different that they laboured it way too much. ;)

I'm not confused about the murders any more. I think Burt killed the two flight attendants because he didn't believe they didn't have the package and didn't want them talking to anyone else?

[yourlibrarian]

Yeah it rather reminded me of what often takes place in fic where everyone the person was involved with before has to be somehow denigrated or denied so that the ship of preference seems more special, destined or whatever. But I can guarantee if he was so great they all happily came in to testify for him and gush about their encounter that more than one would have liked seconds...

I guess so? This looks like they're going to set up a more long-term villain and plot which could be interesting since I think the way they set up Amenadiel as Lucifer's opponent last season wasn't very interesting for either the character or the show.

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But I can guarantee if he was so great they all happily came in to testify for him and gush about their encounter that more than one would have liked seconds...

Oh, I agree. And come to think of it, that's exactly what Jana the flight attendant came to him to get. ;)

This looks like they're going to set up a more long-term villain and plot which could be interesting.

I'm fairly certain the the long-term villain this season is meant to be Lucifer's mum. I think this character in the hat may be more of a Little Bad, but we'll see.

As for Amenadiel as Lucifer's adversary, I agree it didn't work that well. It's possible that when the show started, the writers were thinking of the relationship between the two as being more as it is in the comics - in which Amenadiel, who is not actually Lucifer's brother but more of a cousin (only the other archangels are his brothers) hates Lucifer with an implacable hatred. In fact, they end up in a fight to the death, which Lucifer wins by tearing Amenadiel's heart from his chest, which Show!Lucifer actually threatened to do in the pilot episode.

The writer of the pilot episode never wrote any more episodes, though I understand he's still involved with the show in some capacity. I suspect the interference of various suits at Fox, who thought his vision for the show was too 'dark.'

[yourlibrarian]

I suspect you're right -- there's clearly a lot of interference to include (or exclude) things that will either grab an audience or keep it away, especially after a show is in production.

I'm glad they didn't go that route with Amenadiel, I think developing the family relationship is much more interesting, especially since it will naturally involve conflict. And I agree about their mom but I'm hoping it will be the reverse. If they plan to keep her around for another season then they may have someone supplant her this season. If she continues to be the Big Bad she may be gone after the finale.

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I'm glad they didn't go that route with Amenadiel, I think developing the family relationship is much more interesting, especially since it will naturally involve conflict.

I'm glad too. Lucifer's relationship with Amenadiel in the comics was one of the least interesting storylines. His relationship with his actual brother the archangel Michael was much better (though, as I'm sure I've said many times Comics!Lucifer is so very different to Show!Lucifer that you really can't compare them). I like that in the show the other angels are all Lucifer's brothers - and sisters, I'm sure they can't have thrown the fact that Azrael the angel of death is female into the mix for nothing - it makes the whole dysfunctional family element so much more fun.

Though I do expect Lucifer's mum to the be the principal villain, I actually rather hope that I'm wrong, because I really enjoy the character and if Tricia Helfer is up for it, I'd love to see her stick around. She's the most Anya-like character I've come across on TV since...well, Anya. ;)

[yourlibrarian]

Yes, I can understand why you see her that way. The fact that she's not a possible love interest makes her even more interesting. Plus, I've always liked the actress. I can't remember, did you watch Battlestar Galactica?

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Yes, I did watch it. I thought it was, for the most part, very good (though the final season was a big let-down).

I did think when I heard Tricia Helfer had been cast as Lucifer's mother that it was rather amusing she was once again going to be a character who spent most of their time talking about God. ;)

[yourlibrarian]

Yes, the last season rather fell apart. But hah, that's a good point about her roles!

I also meant to add I saw the latest episode last night. I'll look and see if you posted about it.

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That's a terrific icon. Where did you get it?

[yourlibrarian]

Isn't it? I like the historicity of it. It's an icon by liviapenn. I've had it for several years now and am afraid I don't have a direct link to her post, but feel free to snag it from me.

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Thank you. I will (even though I don't like Firefly at all).

[slaymesoftly.livejournal.com]

I liked it too, but I was surprised to hear the next one is the "mid-winter finale". Since when do we have mid-winter finales? And what does that even mean? Will there be a spring premiere? So weird. Of course, the Sherlock I haven't seen yet, but will as soon as NCIS ends, is also the last one... ever, if I understood them correctly. *sigh*

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but I was surprised to hear the next one is the "mid-winter finale". Since when do we have mid-winter finales?

I suppose in this case it could be because the writers etc got the order for the so-called back nine possibly unexpectedly and need more time to write and film those episodes. Episode 13 (this mid-season finale) might have been slated as the finale for the entire season originally, so will have a sort of finale feel about it.

I dunno. I'm reaching. ;)

Just glad someone wanted to talk about Lucifer at all really.

Of course, the Sherlock I haven't seen yet, but will as soon as NCIS ends, is also the last one... ever, if I understood them correctly. *sigh*

Nobody knows for sure. I think the BBC etc would like to do more but the consensus is that Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are too busy with their film careers to commit to it. There might be more a few years down the line. On the other hand, if they're going to be anything like last Sunday's episode, good riddance, IMO.

[slaymesoftly.livejournal.com]

Oh, amen to that! We've loved it from the beginning, but believe it or not, agreed that it sucked and we really didn't care how it ended. Turned it off about 2/3 of the way through and deleted it from the saved shows. Apparently they jump out the windows or something at the end? Don't know and don't care, had about all I could handle of it long before that.

Love Lucifer!

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Love Lucifer!

It's escapist fun with humour, romance and demons. It's a good formula and works for me (though BtVS was a lot more nuanced, and wasn't escapist, unless one counts all dramas with a supernatural element as escapist, which I know some people do).

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I am just getting caught up with this show, and enjoying it a lot. I've always found angel lore fascinating as mythology, and it's nice to have a show using it that isn't the relentless sausagefest that Supernatural is.

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I baled on Supernatural half way through season 1, so can't compare, but I do hear rumours. ;)

Lucifer the show is enormous fun. Lucifer the comics series is (IMO) completely brilliant. They're two wholly different animals that just happen to share a premise. Must admit, I love them both.

[slaymesoftly.livejournal.com]

I check in and out of Supernatural from time to time. Really not a clue about most of it because I also bailed about half-way through the first season, and probably haven't seen more than four or five episodes (in various seasons) since then.

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Everyone assures me it gets better as it goes along, but I didn't like the two main characters in the episodes I saw and that seems pretty fundamental to enjoyment of the series.

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including a passing reference to the fact that Lucifer himself is bisexual (or probably more like omnisexual).

That was more than a passing reference, it was so on the nose that nobody could ignore it. We've been waiting for that since the blink-and-you'll-miss-it season one threesome, and damn did they do well this time. I am so happy about that!

except for being a bit bewildered by who it was that the mysterious man in the hat killed at the end there

That was weird, but I liked how it turned out he featured heavily in all three eps. So his first appearance was a bit clumsy, oh, well.

I'm a little sad that the Lucifer/Amenadiel scene was possibly a fake-out.

I think both Amenadiel and Mom are much harder to grasp than is apparent at the surface. I totally think the writers are capable of giving them depth, so I don't usually take what they say at face value. I love how the show writes both of them.

Mom definitely is not benign, with Amenadiel, I'm not sure. The angels all seem to be "good little soldier" types, even Lucifer. I really liked both their deconstruction this season so much.

Anyway, the Deckerstar 'shippers on Tumblr should be happy (I guess, I haven't checked)

We are. :DD

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That was more than a passing reference, it was so on the nose that nobody could ignore it. We've been waiting for that since the blink-and-you'll-miss-it season one threesome, and damn did they do well this time. I am so happy about that!

I'm very pleased too, though I don't expect the show to reprise the message that often, or for it to become an important story point. Good that it's out there though, and that everyone is so :shrug, so what?: about it.

I love how the show writes both of them.

Me too. I have a sneaking liking for Lucifer's mum (well, more than sneaking, I just like her) and am glad that my repetition in pretty much every review of season 2 I've written about how unfortunately it looks like she's just evil after all has turned out to be wrong.

We are. :DD

Good. :) I'm sure it'll happen in time, but there're bound to be more bumps along the way (unless there's no season 3, of course, but it's looking good at the moment that there will be one).