Lucifer season 3 episode 10
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shapinglightThe so-called winter finale.
Spoilers behind cut. Not Tom Welling-friendly.
Okay, my guesses about Pierce - that he'd turn out to be immortal and affected by Chloe the same way Lucifer is, that he's really the Sinnerman, or the real Sinnerman behind the fake one, or whatever- have turned out to be right. I hadn't guessed that he'd be Cain (or Kane, as Amazon's subtitles insisted on spelling it), though. He wasn't kidding when he said the Sinnerman had killed his brother, was he?
As far as I recall it's not stated in the bible that Cain was immortal, is it, just that the mark God set on him meant no one would kill him in his (mortal) lifetime?
Whatever. It doesn't matter either way. It also doesn't really explain what Pierce wants going forward. If he really is behind Lucifer losing his devil face and being stuck with angel wings he doesn't want, does this mean he's Dad's messenger, and if so, what's the message? No idea. On the other hand, he could be acting on his own behalf, either to take revenge on Lucifer for having his mum and dad thrown out of Eden, or because he really wanted Lucifer to kill him so he can die forever. If it's that, though, why send a substitute, and why was the fake Sinnerman so keen for Lucifer to kill him.
Unless it was to damn Lucifer forever in Chloe's eyes? Which has pretty much happened anyway. In fact, I didn't think Chloe was angry enough, considering what Lucifer had done to the fake Sinnerman before she caught up with him. She'd be furious with Maze too, if she knew about her part in the whole business. Which could still come out and cause huge ructions down the road.
So, don't know what Pierce/Cain wants, beyond breaking up Chloe and Lucifer, which he seems to have managed to do. Quite intrigued to find out.
Or would be, if it weren't that the whole thing depends on Tom Welling. God, he's useless. A useless great bland lump. What should be an exciting plot, and a welcome return of the supernatural element in the show, is dragged down by every scene Welling is in. :Gloom:
Other stuff:
I enjoyed the Trixie/Dan/Charlotte stuff, but it was too divorced from the main plot. Also, I hope we get some Chloe/Maze/Trixie home scenes soon. I know Lesley-Ann Brandt had only just come back to work when eps 9 and 10 were shot so we can't expect to see her in too many scenes, and certainly not in any action ones, but I hope that will change as the season progresses.
Seems the show returns on 1st January for a few more episodes (no idea how many), though the first episode after they come back is the final standalone left over from season 2. From the preview, looks like we finally get the Lucifer/Amenadiel cage fighting scene, and the Lucifer-does-John-Travolta-in-Saturday-Night-Fever scene.
Ella was being completely OTT in this episode. Even I thought so this time. Annoyingly, it seemed completely plot-driven. Make her so annoying that Pierce/Cain will actually lose his temper with her, which will give Lucifer a clue as to his real identity. Not quite sure that works, to be honest. Cain killed Abel in a fit of jealous rage, not because Abel was irritating the crap out of him.
Also, wasn't it a bit stupid of Pierce/Cain not to check the fake Sinnerman's effects before they ended up in evidence? Or did he want Lucifer to find that photograph? Hmm.
I'd care a lot more about what his motivations were if only a better actor was playing the part. More gloom.
Spoilers behind cut. Not Tom Welling-friendly.
Okay, my guesses about Pierce - that he'd turn out to be immortal and affected by Chloe the same way Lucifer is, that he's really the Sinnerman, or the real Sinnerman behind the fake one, or whatever- have turned out to be right. I hadn't guessed that he'd be Cain (or Kane, as Amazon's subtitles insisted on spelling it), though. He wasn't kidding when he said the Sinnerman had killed his brother, was he?
As far as I recall it's not stated in the bible that Cain was immortal, is it, just that the mark God set on him meant no one would kill him in his (mortal) lifetime?
Whatever. It doesn't matter either way. It also doesn't really explain what Pierce wants going forward. If he really is behind Lucifer losing his devil face and being stuck with angel wings he doesn't want, does this mean he's Dad's messenger, and if so, what's the message? No idea. On the other hand, he could be acting on his own behalf, either to take revenge on Lucifer for having his mum and dad thrown out of Eden, or because he really wanted Lucifer to kill him so he can die forever. If it's that, though, why send a substitute, and why was the fake Sinnerman so keen for Lucifer to kill him.
Unless it was to damn Lucifer forever in Chloe's eyes? Which has pretty much happened anyway. In fact, I didn't think Chloe was angry enough, considering what Lucifer had done to the fake Sinnerman before she caught up with him. She'd be furious with Maze too, if she knew about her part in the whole business. Which could still come out and cause huge ructions down the road.
So, don't know what Pierce/Cain wants, beyond breaking up Chloe and Lucifer, which he seems to have managed to do. Quite intrigued to find out.
Or would be, if it weren't that the whole thing depends on Tom Welling. God, he's useless. A useless great bland lump. What should be an exciting plot, and a welcome return of the supernatural element in the show, is dragged down by every scene Welling is in. :Gloom:
Other stuff:
I enjoyed the Trixie/Dan/Charlotte stuff, but it was too divorced from the main plot. Also, I hope we get some Chloe/Maze/Trixie home scenes soon. I know Lesley-Ann Brandt had only just come back to work when eps 9 and 10 were shot so we can't expect to see her in too many scenes, and certainly not in any action ones, but I hope that will change as the season progresses.
Seems the show returns on 1st January for a few more episodes (no idea how many), though the first episode after they come back is the final standalone left over from season 2. From the preview, looks like we finally get the Lucifer/Amenadiel cage fighting scene, and the Lucifer-does-John-Travolta-in-Saturday-Night-Fever scene.
Ella was being completely OTT in this episode. Even I thought so this time. Annoyingly, it seemed completely plot-driven. Make her so annoying that Pierce/Cain will actually lose his temper with her, which will give Lucifer a clue as to his real identity. Not quite sure that works, to be honest. Cain killed Abel in a fit of jealous rage, not because Abel was irritating the crap out of him.
Also, wasn't it a bit stupid of Pierce/Cain not to check the fake Sinnerman's effects before they ended up in evidence? Or did he want Lucifer to find that photograph? Hmm.
I'd care a lot more about what his motivations were if only a better actor was playing the part. More gloom.
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Date: 2017-12-19 07:50 pm (UTC)As for why the show is stuttering a little at the moment (though I still love it), there are several reasons - the Welling factor dragging everything down, the standalones, which are great but have a different tone to the rest of the season, the absence of Lesley-Ann Brandt, and the fact that Tricia Helfer is playing what is fundamentally a different character who is not such a good 'fit as Mum was. Lots of things.
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Date: 2017-12-20 09:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-12-20 10:08 am (UTC)I disagree. I think the writing is just as sharp and funny as it ever was. The procedural stuff is often dull, but then it always has been.
And no, the writers/showrunners haven't changed.
ETA: Having said which, I realise you didn't necessarily say you thought the show was any worse (Welling aside), just different. I'm fannish enough to get all defensive, as you can see. ;)
Another difference this season is the fragmentation of the cast. Since the season arc is all about stuff going on at LAPD, it's been hard to find ways to fit Amenadiel and Linda into that scenario. There's not really any reason for them to come to police HQ, unfortunately.
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Date: 2017-12-20 02:11 pm (UTC)And maybe it is me anyway - everything feels flat compared to Walking Dead at the moment because I am so immersed in that world. And I really don't want to harsh your squee so please assume it is just my present state of mind.
ETA: And yes, fragmenting the cast is never good for a show, although Amenadiel has always been a bit out on a limb but he feels even more so now Maize and Mum aren't around to help bridge the gap, that really only leaves Linda and Lucifer himself and they can't do it in every scenario.
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Date: 2017-12-20 06:19 pm (UTC)I just wish the whole thing didn't depend on Welling. Stunt casting or whatever you want to call it can work. Tricia Helfer as Mum last season is proof of that.
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Date: 2017-12-21 09:35 am (UTC)I think it is very likely. I'm guessing he is hoping Lucifer can help him lift the curse or kill him or something. Maybe the Sinnerman is somehow a split personality side of Pierce.
This is very true! One reason that worked is because the character of Mum was in now way a mirror or copy of the lead. So often the stunt casting is of a rival love interest or enemy or whatever who the writers then fall in love with and allow to dominate. Welling def follows that second pattern unfortunately.
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Date: 2017-12-22 11:21 am (UTC)