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Because the end of my noel_of_spike story still wants to kill me, here's another one for you, though this time we've come back round into fandom territory.

We all know what Angel looked like in the 70s (a lot of us wish we didn't, and I bet the day he set eyes on the mullet wig was one of the ones when DB did his famous set your eyes on the finish line and just go for it thing), and of course we all know that Spike was a punk (what else could he have been?), but pre-1975/6, what would he have done to keep his rebel credentials intact? Was he into glam rock, prog rock or even disco?

I think he would have adored Ziggy Stardust personally, but maybe that's just because I do? Thoughts, anyone?

Also, Dru as a punk with her hair like Siouxsie's? Yes? No?

Comments

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Oh! In an old W.I.P. I had a whole segment of Spike in the early 1970s emulating the "Lizard King" Jim Morrison of The Doors, complete with leather pants of evil. :) All the psuedo-important 'poetry', the uber-cool posturing seemed Spi-william-esque. Morrison loved the dark, rebellious, and vaguely poetic (think "The End", "You're Lost Little Girl" "Someday Soon" , etc. I also had Spike/Dru having sex on Morrison's grave in Pere Lachaise in Paris. I figure Acid Rock couldn't have been too much of a stretch after Spike went to Woodstock. :)

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I figure Acid Rock couldn't have been too much of a stretch after Spike went to Woodstock. :)

No, I agree. I suppose I thought of the Doors as a 60s band, because Morrison died in 1970, but it was far from the end of acid rock.

[sentine.livejournal.com]

I can totally see Spike going from Bowie to garage rock to punk.
Dru was into glam rock, no doubt. I'm pretty sure she has bitten Marc Bolan.

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I can totally see Spike going from Bowie to garage rock to punk.

I can too, though I can also see him following the trajectory rebcake suggests below and being more of a Velvets fan than a Bowie fan (though of course I was imagining him living in the UK, whereas possibly she wasn't).

Dru was into glam rock, no doubt. I'm pretty sure she has bitten Marc Bolan.

Well, you have to explain his lyrics somehow. :) God, I loved TRex when I was 14. I think Bolan was my one genuine pop star crush.

[hello-spikey.livejournal.com]

Spike was SO not into Disco! *shudders at mere thought*

See, I see him going from 60s garage to acid rock to punk without even breaking stride. Sometimes I'm listening to these old 60s indy-hits and I'm stunned with how ahead of their time they were.

[hello-spikey.livejournal.com]

It, er, doesn't hurt that I'm into acid rock, so of course I assume Spike liked what I like. Not an uncommon assumption, is it? :D

[rebcake.livejournal.com]

Oh yes! This! Also, he was captivated by hot jazz and rhythm-and-blues, I think. I have a whole vision in my head of him driving around on a warm summer's night listening to Bo Diddley on the car radio...

I also think that he would have been kinda interested in Bowie, but really into the Velvet Underground and the Stooges. It's probably my Velvet Goldmine love. Or my youthful Creem magazine reading. Boy howdy!

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Spike was SO not into Disco! *shudders at mere thought*

It does seem a bit unlikely, I agree.

See, I see him going from 60s garage to acid rock to punk without even breaking stride.

Yeah, that works for me too. I think me imagining him as a Bowie fan comes from me mentally placing him in the UK in the 70s. But of course he could have been anywhere.

[mabel-marsters.livejournal.com]

Definately into Ziggy Stardust.

When I wrote Anticipation with dawnofme when we had Spike and Dru in '77 I pictured Dru with her hair all backcombed out. I originally put her in a leopard spot miniskirt, but dawn didn't think people would relate to Dru being in a short skirt so I went with a long skirt slashed to the hip! :D

Please God, not Spike a disco diva! LOL! If he liked the Ramones and Sex Pistols I really don't see that he could have ever liked disco.

[shapinglight]

Definately into Ziggy Stardust.

:) Hard not to like IMO, though I think I'm leaning more towards Spike as a Velvet Underground fan at the moment. But I'm sure he would have liked Bowie too.

when we had Spike and Dru in '77 I pictured Dru with her hair all backcombed out.

She would have looked like Siouxsie, wouldn't she? Someone should do a manip.

Please God, not Spike a disco diva! LOL! If he liked the Ramones and Sex Pistols I really don't see that he could have ever liked disco.

Heh! Must admit, it seems pretty unlikely to me too.

[deborahw37.livejournal.com]

Spike was a Mod , then into Northern Soul, then Punk then Grunge


Dru meanwhile has always kept the same image .. cos she's Dru, though that Italian Scene from TGIQ .. hmmmm Siouxsie Dru.. maybe

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Northern soul, you reckon? That's different. I think he would have liked the music and the energy would have appealed to him, but the clothes? You think so?

It's very easy to think of Dru as eternally the same when she spends most of her time on BtVS swanning around in long, floaty dresses, but she does actually dress more modern in AtS. I'm sure the idea of sticking safety pins through her nose would have fascinated her.

[rahirah]

I've always liked ShipperX's fanon that Spike was a Doors fan.

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Yeah, I can see him as a Doors fan, though I think of them as a 60s band really, since Morrison died in 1970.

[rebcake.livejournal.com]

I think Spike would been more into Lou Reed and Iggy than Bowie (though not a Bowie hater, of course). While I am firmly convinced of his bisexuality, I think he's more drawn to the leather and implied danger version than the in-your-faceness of glitter. All that "ponce" talk speaks to me of the need to compensate, and going full-on metallic spandex would be that bridge too far, I think. I can see him bowing to Drusilla's desire to dress him up though. Mmmmmmm: Spike in leather pants and a feather boa. Yummy. The Doors thing makes perfect sense to me, as well. The baritone, the dark poetry, it's a natural fit. I guess that's why the Velvets seem right, as well.

Of course, you know my thoughts on Dru and Hendrix, and I imagine she'd be be excited about anything Eno did, as well. Hmmmm, maybe Roxy Music was their happy medium? I am really getting carried away with this. Moar plz.

[hello-spikey.livejournal.com]

hee hee oh yes, Dru would SO dress him up!

*happy sigh* I'd so see him with some glittery electric-blue eyeliner. We know he didn't so much mind a touch here and there. ;)

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I think Spike would been more into Lou Reed and Iggy than Bowie (though not a Bowie hater, of course)

I can see that actually. Yes, you're right. I suppose I was thinking of him living in the UK and Bowie's gigs during the Ziggy Stardust era being the biggest things around.

While I am firmly convinced of his bisexuality, I think he's more drawn to the leather and implied danger version than the in-your-faceness of glitter.

True, plus the implied bisexuality of glam was for the most part just posing, and Spike would have known that. I still think he would have liked Bowie's music of that period, though. And yes, now you mention it, Dru dressing him up would be yummy. Fic please?

Of course, you know my thoughts on Dru and Hendrix, and I imagine she'd be be excited about anything Eno did, as well. Hmmmm, maybe Roxy Music was their happy medium?

Yes, they could have bonded over that, I think. :hums Virginia Plain:

[stormwreath.livejournal.com]

Also, Dru as a punk with her hair like Siouxsie's? Yes? No?

Judge for yourself: :-)

[shapinglight]

Yep. Definitely suits her. Plus, she would've had such fun with the safety pins.

[darlas-mom.livejournal.com]

Spike's transformation is...odd. From wearing an SS coat because he likes it to punking it up in 1977, I don't know how this fits in at all:



What that pic does tell you is that Dru will dress modern when she's not deathly ill with Spike picking out her clothes for her. I still can't picture her with Siouxsie hair, though. :-/ Visually, I see her more in halter neck cat suits (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/8-RETRO-HALTER-NECK-WIDE-LEG-BLACK-JUMPSUIT-CATSUIT-NEW_W0QQitemZ380178431707QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWomen_s_Clothing?hash=item5884667edb) and Maxi cocktail dresses. (http://ucanhealth.com/local/image_product1/slimagesmacyscomisimageMCYproducts4optimized506124fpxtifwid300&opsharpen1.jpg) (My mental image considered including Farrah hair (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iDeHdh7shuc/SkjzdUG3xQI/AAAAAAAAAmg/KesnAYN7Bmo/s400/Farrah_Fawcett2.jpg) for a second, but then I realized, "No. Dru had Vidal Sassoon hair. (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/275597108_5f8eed0934.jpg) Darla had Farrah hair.")

I'm sorry; I really have no idea about Spike, though.

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What that pic does tell you is that Dru will dress modern when she's not deathly ill with Spike picking out her clothes for her.

Hmm, I don't think there's any evidence at all that Spike ever picked out Dru's clothes for her, even when she was ill. To me, Dru always has her own unique style and I can see her adapting the fashions of the day to suit her taste rather than being a slave of fashion, and I don't see anyone, except possibly Darla when they were altogether, dictating to her how she should dress.

Darla, on the other hand, I see as always a la mode.

I think the above picture is meant to show us that whatever the era, Spike and Dru thought of themselves as rebels. Here, they're being part of the Beat Generation, I suppose.

[sammywol.livejournal.com]

I think Dru is more of a Cure-head.

If you wanted serious blackmail material Spike rocking out to Slade, all glitter and 'Mama! We're all crazy now!' would be perfect!

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If you wanted serious blackmail material Spike rocking out to Slade, all glitter and 'Mama! We're all crazy now!' would be perfect!

Hee, yes! Though fortunately for Spike, living in the US, no one much would have heard of Slade.

[beltaneeve.livejournal.com]

100% with you on Spike loving Ziggy Stardust - I think the whole Bowie vibe would have inspired him, the rebelliousness, the chameleon changes of character. I think he'd have adored the Thin White Duke / Berlin phase.

I see Dru more as new romantic than a Siouxsie type though... It would need to be dark and mysterious for her, whatever else. Maybe she'd be inspired by Kate Bush?

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Maybe she'd be inspired by Kate Bush?

Or possibly Kate Bush was inspired by Dru?

[candleanfeather.livejournal.com]

He Bowie totally fascinated me during my early twenties, but alas I missed his most glorious period. As for Spike I'd pegged him more for an Iggy fan though Bowie could interest him. Yet I do believe there're common grounds in my interst for Bowie and Spike: their chameleon aspect, the question of identity (there's something very baroque in their approach to life). For Dru I really don't know; earlier perhaps she could have been attracted by Janis Joplin's voice, its raw aspect, the pain it conveyed.

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I really can't pin down what I think Dru's musical tastes were. I think they would be all over the shop anyway. But I definitely see Spike as a Bowie fan, even though he might have preferred Iggy.

Late to the party but last night's insomnia resulted in mulling...

[wenchsenior.livejournal.com]

Dru would've been TOTALLY into Bowie (esp. early 70s); she would've taken his music very seriously (themes of aliens, apocalypse, insanity, isolation), gotten very emotionally involved, and worried about his mental state...getting hysterical while listening to some of the grimmer stuff off "Man Who Sold the World" or "Diamond Dogs," for example. And of course Dru'd LOVE the outfits.

Spike I definitely see as having more complicated reactions. I, too, think he's an Iggy man. He would've sneered at Bowie pre-Ziggy (alienated folk/rock? So not Spike's thing). During the early 70s he would've admired Bowie's fearlessness and rebelliousness and he would've liked the harder-edged glam music. But Spike's all about believing in re-inventing yourself, not play-acting at re-inventing yourself, so "Young Americans" would've disgusted him and he would've aggressively dismissed Bowie for a long time after that. He'd rant to anyone who'd listen that Bowie "ruined" Iggy. Unfortunately for Spike, deep down he would've LOVED Bowie's periodic outbursts of over-the-top romanticism... half the "Station to Station" album, "Heroes," "Because You're Young," a lot of "Let's Dance," "Absolute Beginners," and "Black Tie White Noise," etc. He'd rather DIE than admit this, of course.

By the mid-90s' "Outside" and "Earthling," and the apparently ball-busting, rip-roaring shows DB was putting on, Spike wouldn't be taking it so personally any more; instead, he'd be pissed at ignorant Americans and American media who seemed to define Bowie solely by Ziggy and "Let's Dance."

Insomnia, what is it good for? Heh.

Re: Late to the party but last night's insomnia resulted in mulling...

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I think you probably have Spike's reaction to Bowie's permutations pretty well pegged there.

Thanks for your input.